Wraith is one of the most boring killers to play against

Yh i know. But it wouldnt really matter when everyone could loop. Hit and run + creating deadzones would take too long on some maps. But all of this doesnt matter if the majority is not able to loop wraith and i dont think they want to learn.

So i just hope MMR is ready soon and i can see what a good wraith can do against a good team.

Actually plenty of people are saying he’s on a similar level now. People are also calling for him to be nerfed left right and centre, which is laughable for a A/B tier killer imho. That should be the gold standard that other killers are brought to, instead of gimping good killers back down into mediocre territory.

Pre dropping weak pallets and especially camping windows works very well vs. good Wraiths. It’s the gold standard of how to delay the first hit or the down. Seconds count a lot vs. a good Wraith. Obviously he’s going to hit you @ weak pallets regardless, but that’s to be expected and he would be weak otherwise. Once gens get to a certain point he falls off pretty quickly all things considered, and he struggles to claw it back from that point because his downing pressure just isn’t THAT high.

Overall he’s a good chaser now but he’s still lacklustre at strong loops and pallets to balance things out.

His map traversal is very nice, but his pressure of nowhere near the level of S tier killers, so again it balances out. Mostly he’s going to hit you and run off to hit someone else unless you’re out of position. Positioning is paramount vs. a good Wraith. Nobody seems to really take this into account though.

Being able to run other addons is a nice quality of life change and boosts his capability a little but it’s nowhere near enough to boost him to the level many people are complaining about. His tier has gone up by one level at best and that’s a good thing. People are struggling because they don’t have experience vs. him, because everyone always assumed he was one of the worst killers in the game, even though he was always B tier, just never played.

He’s frustrating to play against, sure, same goes for several killers. Even I don’t enjoy facing him, but he’s certainly not OP, so I really don’t see the point of all this complaining. He’s not going to get nerfed. I guess people just want to vent.

the hit and run tactic used by wraith players now is boring yep. its already boring enough with killers who nothing but stack 2-3 gen perks on their builds. Zzzzzz........

You dont need a safe spot where the killer can absolutely nothing to "loop" a killer. And bc i play on a 6 year old standard ps4 on a tv which is even older than that you should probably really git gud instead of complaining.

(unpopular opinion) since windstorm was made baskit, just remove the addon and make it something else, so nobody can double stack it

This is wraith right now (and I say this from the POV of a wraith main):

(1) Uncloak and get first hit unless they are very near a pallet or window

(2) Cut off the window with Bamboozle (an absolute must have for any wraith), and go to the pallet.

(3) Most survivors will just stand in the pallet, waiting for you to uncloak. Bait the pallet by going to 95% uncloak and twitching forward, then immediately destroy with purple shadow dance. Stay cloaked, catch up to survivor in 2 seconds, and repeat.

(4) If a survivor tries to loop you, stand in the pallet and fake one direction while going the other (while uncloaking). You'll either get a hit or a drop in one rotation. Shadow dance smash it, and repeat the above.

If you combine shadow dance with all seeing blood (and run bamboozle), there is no chance to escape. At most as a survivor can chain 3 or 4 pallets together if you are on Ormond or something else ridiculous (and then have half the map deadzoned after you are downed). I've had "chases" where I never once uncloaked and smashed 5 or 6 pallets.

He always was strong when played right.

The problem was that not many could or did play him effectively.

So he was easy to toy with when he was chasing you.

The only time he wasn't easy to toy with was when he was played right and effectively.

Now that he got some slight buffs, he's not that easy to toy with and thus people start complaining about him.

It's something that most people showed me here on the forums, is that they want killers that they can easily loop and toy with.

As soon as they release a killer that doesn't allow that or they buff a killer, they start crying about it.

Its not him specifically. There are a lot of pallets that pretty much unsafe and you will get hit even attempting to use one. All pallets should be at least medium. Hell, even Pig can crouch and dash you easily for a hit at small ones. Im looking at you Hawkins and that stupid small rock loop on Ormonds outside. Why put a pallet where a killer can stand on either side and always hit you as soon as that pallet drops?

Wraith wasn't even changed that much

I think that in perfect internet world, these pallets are a lot safer. Sometimes my ping is so bad, I can't get away with anything. I get janky results from trying to throw pallets or vault a windows.

I've thrown pallets, stun the Killer and, still get hit.

They better not touch my bing bong boi 😡

Unless they are gonna buff him more 😬😜

But seriously, this is how it always goes and will keep going.

BHVR create a strong killer.

Survivors: 😭😭😭😫😫😫 this killer is to strong and not fun, please nerf.

BHVR buffs a killer where that killer becomes more of a treat and where you need to respect their powers.

Survivors: 😭😭😭😫😫😫 this killer isn't fun anymore, he's to strong now. Please nerf.

The vicious circle of dbd, bhvr create/buff a killer > survivors cry about that killer > bhvr nerf that killer.

And after that the process just repeats itself with new and the same killer over and over again.

I don’t know if he’s boring, but I’m kind of bored of seeing him. Three matches against Wraiths in a row tonight, then a Doctor, then another Wraith. How can I miss you if you won’t go away?

I think it has to do because when playing survivor, your hands will be held all the time over the years.

Which, i believe, has created a lot of toxicity over the years.

And they are trying to get rid of that more and more.

And survivors now have to but a little effort during the matches, not much but just a tiny bit more.

And many don't like that, so they just starting to cry about every little thing hoping the devs will revert things back (which they likely will)

I mean, killers get chastised constantly for complaining about frustrating survivor things.

She doesn't need to be NERFED because she can still be destroyed by you just DOING THE GENS.