Stop saying "'nerf' Spirit"

What change could cripple spirit in her current form? I honestly can’t think of one. Like nurse got a cooldown but is still top tier. We have to keep in mind spirit has already been nerfed and she went from S tier to S tier

She won’t get crippled but I hope she gets balanced

Along as the fatigue was like 2 seconds those sound great to me👍 She would be a solid A tier killer I’d say

Look at the chase based killers for a second

Nurse: fatigue and cooldown

Billy: overheat and cooldown on missed chainsaw

huntress: reload and cooldown on hatchet throws

slinger: Cooldown and reload

oni: has to charge power and hefty cooldown for missed swing

And then there’s spirit with no kind of fatigue on a missed phase and a non existent cooldown so long as you use her power in short bursts like you should. I hope that clears it up a bit

You can still of course mind game against all killers, but the better your knowledge of the killer's position the less the guess work. Against Spirit, depending on the patch and ambient noise, the only tell you might get is footsteps when she's very close. That's about it; other than that it's a pure guess for the survivor while the killer can simply use audio and scratches to easily locate the survivor. The survivor can't even tell when she's using her power unless she starts using it from far away and then approaches them with it; in a chase they have no idea.

Perks aren't a proper counter to any killer because survivors don't know what killer they're facing, and therefore can't proactively choose a perk. You can't just run Spine Chill in case it's a Deathslinger, Iron Will in case it's a Spirit, Calm Spirit in case it's a Doctor, OoO in case it's a Trapper, etc. Eventually you just run out of perk slots. Stridor also trumps Iron Will, so Iron Will is only a strong perk against her if she allows it to be. Plus, even if survivors did know the killer in advance, it's kind of silly to have to lean heavily on a perk to counter a killer's power; you should be able to do that through normal gameplay, and that's the case for most of the killers in the game.

Deathslinger has even less counterplay than Spirit in the 1v1 in large part because zoning is BS, but I'm not even going to open that can of worms here. Spirit actually doesn't bother me as much as Deathslinger because most people don't play her very well; she's sort of like Nurse in that way, but obviously with a lower skill floor. She's also already had some or her more annoying features removed, namely old prayer beads and her old lack of vault animation, so she feels better to play against than she used to. She's still insanely powerful, though.

Idk man. Legion, Doctor and Spirit are the three killers I have the most hours with. Spirit was the character that first took me to rank 1 killer. And when I play as her, I absolutely obliterate the survs. Even with weak perks and not the strongest add-ons. When I got to rank 1, I didn't even have BBQ nor PGTW which were sort of mandatory back then. I feel that I shouldn't have been able to do such a thing, given that yeah I'm not absolute trash as Spirit, but I'm also not /that/ good. All it takes it's pressing M2, approaching the survivor at the speed of light and bam, showing up outta nowhere and downing them. Most times you don't even need to do the idle mindgame, but if you add that, it's the cherry on top...

I don't know how I would fix her. Maybe she needs a nerf. Maybe she needs a rework. I don't think her giving more feedback about what she's doing to the survivors is different to getting a nerf -now she gives little to no feedback, so if she gave the survivors more feedback that would be a nerf since the survivors would have more info and thus could counterplay her more. More feedback = nerf, is what I'm saying, idk why people put these things separately like they are any different, there are other sorts of nerfs that she could get that wouldn't be feedback related (like a bigger power cooldown), but providing more feedback to survs is just a type of nerf. And maybe that's ok! Maybe a nerf is what she needs. I'm all in for the more feedback train, because as a survivor it's all guessing games, and that is absolutely no fun given how the Spirit has way more info to guess from than the survivor has. It's similar to what happens with Slinger, except that Slinger is not invisible, does not move at mach 3 speed and can't also use their power to cross the entire map very quickly (not the best use of the Spirit's power, but it can come in handy when you see them far away with BBQ and want to stop that gen from being done asap).

The fatigue idea sounds like a bit too much to me. But the bug thingy that happened back then, which made her "aaaaaaa" sounds audible when she was phasing and gave the survivors a fair sense of direction seemed fair to me. You can still play around that as the Spirit, you can still use your power to approach the survivor quickly, and it wouldn't be all guessing games for them. I don't think this being implemented would gut her. The idea of her giving some sort of cue when she's phasing, so that the stand still mindgame is gone, doesn't seem unfair to me either. These days I always assume the Spirit is just standing still and try to play around that, but if the Spirit realizes that you /know/ she's not phasing, she will proceed to phase and catch you before you get anywhere else. Easily if she's running Stridor and/or you don't have Iron Will.

I don't think a nerf should get any compensations. That's why it's a nerf. If every nerf got something to compensate it, then the thing being nerfed would be as strong as it used to be, and the nerf would be pointless. People asking for a nerf don't ask for some sort of compensation because they want the thing in question to be weaker, not to be the same as it is now. Applies to anything you can imagine: Spirit, Freddy, SWF, keys, OoO, etc. The real question is, does that thing NEED a nerf? Well, for the Spirit, I think she does. Probably in the form of more feedback for survivors. Maybe in some other way. And I'm saying all of this as someone who plays lots of Spirit, my Spirit hours are only behind Legion's and maybe Doctor's since I've decided to main him recently but have played him for a lot of hours already. So I'm not speaking out of an entitled survivor's main ass when I say she is sort of unfair to play against.

IMO she's pretty unfun to play against even though I know spirit mains love to play her. I don't think you could fix the unfun part of her without a complete rework of her power, but that doesn't mean you can't change some of her abilities. I would love to see many of her add-ons nerfed. Specifically the duration ones and maybe the speed ones. The duration ones give her an EXTREMELY long power along with a super-fast recharge (which is a bug). The speed addons aren't as much of a problem, but the green one is a little ridiculous when paired with a duration addon. Also, the mother-daughter ring+yakuyoke needs to be nerfed hard just like the iridescent head needs to be nerfed. One last thing I would like to see changed is to give survivors an actual indication of when she's using her power. I think we all agree that the standstill mind game is the stupidest thing ever.

Except there are many killers that can deal with these things without robbing survivors of their agency. Pyramid head. Blight. Clown. Freddy. Deathslinger. New Bubba. Even Twins via Victor. And of course, Nurse. All have tells, and yet these killers can easily hold the power role in chases, some more than others. They also have tells and counters. Many of these killers can obliterate the average DBD group in public matches when used by someone with decent game sense.

There is no genuine counter to Spirit during these stand still mindgames, which are the main issue people have. Whereas other killers with strong anti-loop have tells, she does not. May as well just stand still and let her down you at that point.

I think OP is quite reasonable with what they say about Spirit and how some people are ridiculous in the outcry for a hard nerf. You, on the other hand, are unreasonable. There's always one like you to make these threads come off way worse than they are.

"How about, for ONCE, you survivors have to deal with the short end of the stick and get into the position of the person reacting rather than the one dictating the chase?"

Ah there it is. Not only is this polarizing with the 'you survivors' when you clearly have no idea where I stand in terms of my favoured form of gameplay, but you make it a us vs them thing, despite the fact that many killer mains find Spirit to be a shitshow. Big examples being ZubatLEL and ScottJund. That's not to say their word is gospel, but high experience killer players say these things for a reason.

The fact that you think you consistently have the short stick in chases with killers outside of Spirit (and I guess Nurse and Freddy) says more about your ineptitude in the killer role. I and many others can 4k consistently in red ranks with killers like Demogorgon that don't even have efficient anti-loop. Am I just God tier? Or are you just exaggerating and making playing killer sound like a tragic case of inevitable victimhood? The only thing that screws killers are maps and map RNG, which also applies to survivors mind you (I'd say killers have a harder time OVERALL, but it's still a general problem).

She has no counter in loops with the specific mindgame people find super irritating. That's why people want at least a small tell like EVERY OTHER STRONG KILLER HAS IN THEIR ARSENAL.

Enjoy your circlejerk with other like-minded people that see survivors as mindless drones that only want to pallet loop all day.

Spirit doesn't need to be gutted. Her power needs some tweaks. Her addons need revisions. I hate facing her, but she's not BROKEN.

Yeah, the OP is right, it's really not worth continuing.

Have a good one. The community would be a nicer place if you toned down on the abrasive nature of your replies, especially toward people stating rather tame opinions about something.

Still some guess work when using her power , a survivor can walk away from the loop stay still, move to the other side or flash her after flashing her if shes not using her power , you can run/walk away and go to another loop or hide.

Most Spirit use Stridor, there is no guessing for Spirit, she has scratch mark, breathing. Survivor has nothing to react.

Question is: why did you search so deep in the forum?

The ultimate redemption arc.

The thing people really hate about spirit imo is how easy she is to play compared to her power level. Almost every game ever made soft locks the most powerful stuff behind a big skill lock. If you dont have the skill, you do worse than usual. This is why people got mad at freddy and instasaw billy, you could play them with your brain turned off and still do much more than someone playing clown with years and years upon experience tryharding. This is also why people don't complain about nurse as much. They simply dont see god nurses enough to be mad at nurse. Meanwhile you can quite literally play spirit blindfolded or without using your power and just standing still, or even just playing m1 killer if you get lucky with passive phasing addons. Also, knowing WHEN spirit is phasing doesn't help you at all since if you see her phasing at a pallet, it is still a mindgame between her phasing in place or going to your side. Survivors should get to know WHERE she is phasing, thats why people liked the sound bug and want it back.

What I would love is for her to be reworked to have fun gameplay for both sides, but still be S tier or at least A tier.

Yes mate ☝️ I was also a Rin apologist for a while, now I'm committed to them nerfing her so I can play her without feeling like a dick