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Pride month charm is worring me...
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I get what you saying but I have to disagree. Yes i agree the Greeks and romans did accept homosexuallity but I would consider them an outliers In a tread. The most rest of the world was not really accepting of homosexuallity (mainly because of religion)
I'm also talking about the western part of the world in the americas. To my knowledge for all of western time homosexuallity was not accepted at all and for a very long time too to what I would say up untill the 1980s and 90s.
So based on this gay pride is so heavily valued. Although I do agree you can celebrate yourself without being hostile.
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I dont think Ive ever been in a position where I had to explain that, myself, but I get where you're coming from.
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The Greeks and the Romans didn't accept homosexuality, that's one of the biggest misconceptions about those people
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I think homosexuality started to become more public in America in the seventies. I do know that you can be openly gay just about anywhere in this country these days, and I think that's a great thing.
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I doubt anyone will actually follow through. Just some kids trying to be edgy.
Besides, unless they come out and say "i tunneled you for the charm", we can't exactly ban them.
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'Straight Pride' has nothing to do with being proud of who you are. It was conceived entirely in retaliation to Gay Pride, as a hateful mockery of LGBT+ struggles.
LGBT+ Pride, just as any minority movement, is about pushing back against oppression, as a rallying cry in the face of oppression, because it takes that level of 'coming together' for a minority to make themselves heard against an apathetic or even hateful majority. Straight people are not oppressed for being straight, not legally, socially or emotionally, there is no reason for 'Straight Pride' at all, It's no difference to White Supremacy.
By all means be proud of who you are as a person, but being proud for 'being straight' is not a valid avenue for a rallying cry. I would never dream of actively expressing pride for being male or white.
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Just a reminder to keep the discussion civil and respectful, you can have different ideas, but please avoid attacking others because of them.
I also want to add that people's identity is not a political statement, people just want to be accepted for who they are and we should welcome them with open arms.
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It's a bit shocking how these things always get out of hand. Like, we have threads about potentially begging to take teams away from new, glitch-free content for the purposes of console optimization that go for 15-20 pages of people agreeing with one another, but basic, effortless inclusivity is mega controversial.
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It always goes the same way.
Thread poster brings up a point about LGBT inclusivity, positive or negative, and it always (always) devolves into pointless and immature bickering by people on both sides of the topic. Thread goes into the double digits of pages, and eventually gets locked despite 2-3 warnings by the mods (as seen right above your own comment).
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I don't like that charity either myself...
I guess we now have more than one thing in common with eachother (yes, I have Autism too.) 😅
Maybe a simple jigsaw piece would work? But I don't like that representation either... Like I'm not a problem that needs to be solved nor do I have to 'fit in' anywhere..?
Maybe there's a universal symbol for neuro-diversity that would be more suitable?
I don't know, really... Let me know your thoughts on this :)
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This thread helped me get my opinion about this situation.
I don't want sound like homophobic but I don't like any idea of pride of being someone.
Personally I don't judge people for who they are. I judge people for what they do.
I don't respect gay people just for them being gay. For me it's just an another person. I respect gay if he talented artist or smart engineer. I would respect gay just for being nice person.
But I don't understand being proud of sexuality. It's not something you achieved. It's just your personality, there is nothing to be proud of.
I don't like an idea of being proud of something you born with. Like your race, your sexuality, your gender.
I understand why there is minorities doing their movements. They just want their voices heard. They being oppressed and they struggle for their rights. But this pride thing make negative impression on me.
I treat all people as equal. Minorities or majorities. But it's only their actions would make me hate or respect them.
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😅 Don't feel bad, my man. I only found out a couple of years back, myself.
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I'm going to be perfectly honest here, I think the pointless bickering is mostly from the... Let's say, "the ones who don't don't want people to be represented".
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Pride comes from centuries of being oppressed and persecuted for being born lgbt+. This still happens today, in 2021. If it's enough to be killed, its enough to be proud of.
Pride is lgbt+ people standing up proudly and displaying who they are. It's us saying- no, demanding- to be seen, to be heard and listened to. It's us demanding our rights and equal treatment and the end to stereotypes and persecution.
Because no matter what you think, it's still rampant today. Even in first world countries like the UK, conversion therapy is still legal and it took 3 years and two different Governments since the PM said she'd make it illegal for it to be announced it's going through consultation and will seek to "continue to protect religious freedom" over lgbt+ lives.
Pride is us having enough and demanding to be heard. Proudly showing who we are and we will not change, nor back down, anymore. Because lgbt+ people have had enough.
You may treat people based on their merits. Many people do not. The law definitely does not.
Apathy breeds indifference. Don't be a bystander.
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I kinda get what you are saying.
but being proud is something different than just being proud for what you were born as. They are proud of accepting themselves this way, which is in now way the easiest thing even today. Being LGBTQ+ will for most people mean they are about to go through many struggles because of it, be it because of others not accepting them, discriminating them, but also self-acceptance and tolerance. And I think the part about accepting yourself for who you are is often not really acknowledged by people looking at it from the outside and nothing they can really empathize.
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Ok. Finally got through reading all of the comments on this thread...
Now here's my two cents on this topic (no-one asked for my opinion, but here we all are anyway)
I don't shout about my Bisexuality from the rooftops; in fact, I don't think anyone really knows about it...
Naturally, in this society I expect to be treated the same as everyone else, but am I just being treated the same because I haven't fully came out as Bisexual yet, or is it possibly true that no-one gives a ######### anymore?
Regardless of my own personal situation, everybody deserves to be treated with respect and shouldn't fear being treated differently because of who they are.
Whether that be because of thier sexuality, gender, colour, race, disability, religion etc...
To me, the pride charm speaks for everyone. Straight, Gay, Trans, Black, White, Asexual, Bisexual... Just everything and everyone.
When I say I want inclusion and acceptance, I mean it. I want everybody to have access to basic human rights, fair policing and political systems, healthcare and education.
Sure, we can't achieve all that today; but every little step we make into accepting people into our communities (even if it is just a small wearable charm in a video game), goes that little bit further into improving things for future generations...
And then, maybe one day; there might just be acceptance for all.
Thanks for coming to my TED Talk. Stay safe out there folks and remember to smile even when you're feeling down :)
♥️🧡💛💚💙💜
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Honestly preach
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I never cared about the charms, i never wore them, i never cared.
I actually wouldn´t have cared for this one, either, because i dont believe an insiffnicant part in a video game does anything for the real problem.
However, after reading this, i stay to the ones that want to wear it for themself, and thus, i will put that one on every one of my chars. I dont care, but those who do should be able to do so freely.
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I have to respond to this as it is completely reversed. Pride originated as a response to targeted police harassment and raids on the Stonewall Inn in the late 1960s, a bar frequented by lgbt people, mostly gay men and trans women. I say "response", they were riots. I don't see how any of that is apolitical by any means.
These days it's mostly a fun but fairly meaningless festival/social event. Police often actually march in it, to give an idea of how much it's changed. Along with weapons manufactures, banks, facebook etc etc
Some us us like the "support" from corporations during June. Not being a hive mind, a lot of us just make fun of it:
As to your comments on "straight pride", this is unacceptable for the same reasons as "white pride" is or "able-bodied pride" would be. I don't think I need to elaborate on the history of the use of "white pride" and the type of people who use it.
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It's not quite correct to say it wasn't accepted, they actually didn't identify sexuality in the way we do in modern times, the genders were irrelevant. It was active/passive roles linked to status and age, and they were very wrong by modern standards but not due to the gender of your partner; men with young boys, adult males taking teen wives were the norm.
But in term of "acceptance" of homosexual sex it was absolutely normal because there was no difference in their view between heterosexual and homosexual desires.
The vilification of homosexuality was not a thing in ancient times, it is a development over time, and pretty intrinsically linked to religious doctrine.
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For taking the time to read through all the comments or..?
Haha 😅 Honestly though, much appreciated Karu.
Thanks, dude.
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Love ya 🏳️🌈
actually I think this is one of the most positive threads I have been part in with this topic. There are definitely less completely negative posts
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LOL - you're really out here telling a minority group that is constantly under attack even in Western countries where being LGBT isn't illegal that just because someone may not be restraining them physically from being with someone (which is debatable in itself) that they AREN'T oppressed? Seriously dude, you need to stop talking on this because it's clear you know nothing about it and your ignorance is extremely belittling to those of us who do understand what it's like.
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A lot of lgbt people play this game for some reason. It has the largest lgbt community in any game I've played personally so it's not surprising to me one bit that this topic ALWAYS blows up.
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Homophobes finally find excuse for them playing like an ass
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They were also spamming it when certain streamers were shown. When they did it to dieharddiva I just turned off chat.
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I wanted some context to what they were talking about, that's why I went looking for it
And yeah humour is subjective but I thought you'd be against making jokes that generalise people based on characteristics out of their control.
Not looking to make a big thing of it since it was dealt with already though
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Yeah, those children are pesky bastards. I really wanted to punch them in the face but they're only 12 so I can't do that.
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Yeah, I'd love a jigsaw piece charm! Now that I think of it, I really want one now.
I'm glad there's a few people on here that have autism like me, heh.
Also I really like your take on the pride charm thing, love ya man ♥️
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But if the killer doesn't admit its because of the charm, does that mean they'll get away with it?
Tunneling isn't bannable, so if theres no evidence to say they did it because of the charm, that surely means they will not get banned.
I think the OP has a point, it won't be as easy as "they'll get banned" which is upsetting :(
Sorry if this has already been mentioned, this thread is huge.
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Same, but not to sound homophobic at all but I've always wondered why was that. Most every person I met who is LGBT has a massive fascination with the horror genre, and I sat there wondering 'is there some kind of connection I'm not seeing?" I do have a bit of an answer but not a full one at least.
Really, look I personally didn't like that a good majority of the stream was just fogwhisperes but come on. Hell what did they even say to DiehardDiva
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Well.. what about the people that tunnel character that have a different skin color (e.g. only tunneling Claudette, Tapp, Adam and Elodie)
they don’t get directly banned because especially after one match you cannot determine if the killer did this because they are racist or because it actually just was the right thing to do in that match.
if someone does these things because they are racist/homophobic/whatever chances are high that they want their ‚opponents‘ to know this. Otherwise there is not really a reason to do this on the first place.
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The fact that people wanting representation is controversial says a lot about the community.
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I'm always shocked when people think I'm a good person who'd be above making these jokes. I've never advertised myself as such so I don't get why people are shocked when I do something that isn't a perfect pure saint of a person.
But yes, it has been dealt with.
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where did that come from I think you mentioned the wrong comment
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No, I didn't. It's pretty telling about the community that LGBT rep threads always blow up like this.
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in a good way or a bad way
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Haha, maybe I should do a quick concept art of the charm :)
Aww, thanks man. I'm glad that I got into this game because the community here can be so nice and heartwarming at times. ♥️
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I don't see how it's good that so many people want others to be ostracised for being lgbt.
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ok. I haven't seen anything on this thread saying that
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I'm wearing that charm forever, so I'll take whatever comes my way for it. Even silly things like tunneling me. If they even bother to notice it.
If the charm can also be used on the killer for their hooks, then that's nice as well.
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Mhm, it warms my heart! Also, I'd love that!
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So is the entire segment on straight pride and lgbt+ people being political suddenly invisible or..?
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I’ve also been worried about being targeted because I’m wearing the pride charm. Thankfully, the DBD community is in general more progressive than other games, but all popular games attract the worst kind of hateful people.
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Oh hey. I see the segment your talking about now. Welp
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You're my hero
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:)
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Charm is available now, code "PRIDE"
Also dbd twitter guy says those targeting players with charm will be punished.
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Hard to enforce unless a killer says in end game chat "thats what you get ofr wearing the charm" or along those lines.
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i feel like somebodies going to do that.
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