So Decisive strike...

Why not running enduring with spirit fury, maybe your chases wouldnt take so long, to literally catch 1 survivor after 5 gens were done, when i play as killer i dont even run ruin, u just have to learn how to chase, if u decide to chase the survivor with ds as well, after he's been looping u for hours, then learn from it and chase someone else, common sense lol

BBQ doesnt even need a nerf, i swear devs never listen to the community lol

Broken perk? you know what's broken dude? get on a lobby with 50 ms and suddenly as you "loop" the killer a little bit just to survive, POOOF 400 ms stuck on a window and game connection turns normal when you are on a hook, that's broken, and you know what? that's been on this game since it came out and it wont be fixed.. deal with it as we deal with lag switchers, tunnelers and campers, it's a counter perk. Again if you are getting 3 kills on a team that runs ds and adrenaline too, you should consider yourself a good and lucky killer. A smart tip, try to mind game a survivor with ds and eat ds as fast as u can, the faster u eat the ds the less chances they have, literally do that when i play as killer and then i play relaxed.

EDIT: I legit just got out of a game, where a billy lagswitched cus i dropped a pallet on him as he chased me, u know how much the long chased? probably not even 10 seconds, checked connection, good 60 ms, and suddenly as i drop the pallet, he's standing still, and boop i appear on a hook, GREAT GAME.

So, a total playstyle that can ruin a whole game, "oh we are sorry" but 1 perk that just triggers u cus u cant get a 4k, "######### LET'S FIX IT" that's just plain dumb lmao im done mate

It's not a vs man, you are complaining about a perk, like if it were something so relevant, im just really tired of ppl complaining about ds, and now that killers got so buffed i still see ppl, camping, tunneling lag switching and yet saying "well you have ds so" legit stupid, i sometimes dont even run ds just to see if killers will still camp and tunnel, no adrenaline, no "op asf" survivor perks, still get tunneled and camped, complain about it and what do we get? "lel cry more and git gud" but hey then when a survivor runs ds and they cant kill it, qq is op, this is a never ending subject man, some survivors abuse it, most of them, but u know most of killers abuse campng and tunneling too, so both sides have to deal with it, tunneling a camping is a valid strategy? k so it's using ds to not get camped and tunneled, it's a counter to both sides, but u know, yet a survivor cant lag switch to get all the game on it's favor, killers do, and seeing killers complain survivors are op still makes me rage honestly, feels like they havent played old killer before 2.1.0. and let me tell you, that stuff was legit broken in survivors favor, but now it's pretty balanced, and maybe a little bit more on killers favor if we put on the table the fact that killers can run a very storng anty loop build combined with pallet nerfs.

We are talking about looping, like if it were idk, before 2.1.0 where survivors exhaustion would regen as u ran, had 2 million pallets, pallet vacuum, safe window vaulting, and killers didnt have spirit fury, right now we dont have any of those, plus bloodlust got hella buffed, getting chased for 3 or 4 seconds and bloodlust already levels up making the killer run faster than crap, i legit sometimes see killer running at the same speed than my sprint burst buff so running speed base perks is almost pointless unless u have a blank point to break the chase which doesnt happen quite often, and let's not even count that most pallets have been removed, example of typical game i face a survivor, seeing teammates suddenly get surprised by a killer they dont see, get hit, they loop the killer for 2 pallets, they die on the third pallet, chase lasted barely a minute, and hey guess what, almost half the pallets gone on the map, again killers right now dont know what it was to play half a year ago lmao..

The_Crusader said:

@G4rr3tt I hate those things too ans they do need addressing. I've brought it up many times here and I always get the "its a legit strategy" defence. I want camping and tunneling gone as much as you do believe me but that doesn't mean that DS isn't broken.

@ToppingPanic NOED I'll give you. I've complained avout that many times myself. Howrver right now it's needed to make up for all the hooks lost due to DS.

BBQ and Ruin? Really? I didn't know they were perceieved as such a problem.

I don't run Ruin anymore because its gone in 30 seconds. You'll get games where its cleansed before you can even get to it. It's a worthless perk for most killers and even more so against SWF. I only take it on the hag since she can defend it and it's needed to buy her time to set a few traps.

BBQ - Just speeds up the game. Also notivates the killer to go at least 40m away from the hook. Whenever I use BBQ I go after a new guy, which means I'm too preoccupied with downing the new guy to go back and tunnel whoever got unhooked.

Besides it was easy to hide behind gens and soon you'll be able to hide in lockers too.

@Malakir and I can't believe I agree with you but yeah this is like of a survivor is looping or on the other side of a pallet and you get to hit a skillcheck and the killer just reaches across, grabs him and puts him on his shoulder ready for the hook.

It wastes too much time in a time rushed game.


Honestly the biggest probelms everyone has with this game right now...

Killers - Hate OP survivor perks. Individually they aren't so bads it's when theys stack across 4 survivors and 16 perk slots that it becomes too much

Survivors - Hate the way killers play, camping, tunneling

So nerfing BBQ made no sense.

The devs need to find ways to nerf survivors perks but at the same time protect survivors who have been hooked or recently hooked. It would take some extreme changes to do that.

@G4rr3tt said:
So you are getting 3 kill games and you are complaining? lol you know a victory is not escaping, or killing all 4 survivors, a victory is having a good amount of points and piping in some cases, if you are getting 3 kills and 1 escapes thru the hatch then dont complain man.. You are pretty much saying that even with ds ur killing more than half the team, idk what's your point then

so what if he got a 3 kill? he was robbed of his rightful victory by a broken perk hatch is unfair enough already i feel his pain its one of my biggest gripes with this game

@friendlykillermain said:

@G4rr3tt said:
So you are getting 3 kill games and you are complaining? lol you know a victory is not escaping, or killing all 4 survivors, a victory is having a good amount of points and piping in some cases, if you are getting 3 kills and 1 escapes thru the hatch then dont complain man.. You are pretty much saying that even with ds ur killing more than half the team, idk what's your point then

so what if he got a 3 kill? he was robbed of his rightful victory by a broken perk hatch is unfair enough already i feel his pain its one of my biggest gripes with this game

See this is the proble, you think you lose if u dont get 4k, sometimes u get 4k, sometimes u dont, sometimes you survive and sometimes you dont, you know i use ds a lot, but not cus omg it's easy and #########, legit im tired of getting tunneled and camped to the point i cant even do 1 gen, i legit wouldnt run ds if that wouldnt be the case, and im pretty sure many solo survivors who enjoy a good chase, do some progress on the game, wouldnt mind dying, i myself give away to the killers many times cus i did what i wanted to, a good chase, some gens, it was fun, no need to escape, both sides win, but if u play to get all 4 kills by camping and tunneling keep dealing with ds, it's the only escape for a survivor if u play dirty, i had many situations as killer where the survivor barely made it out, after getting hooked twice, cus of a ds or someshit, and they tbag and act cooky and yeah it's annoying, but you know the fact they are doing that, it's cus they are salty ugot them before, and with the nerfe on bbq and chili, man killer getting iron maiden, i cant believe ppl cant read patch notes or new perks coming out, "BBQ BEEN NERFED PLS HELP, WE CANT SEE SURVIVORS IN LOCKERS NOW BBQ IS USELESS OH GOD WHAT WE GONNA DO" bro chill ur tits just use iron maiden and no more locker dwightos, simple as that, and also i mainly use bbq and chili for 100% bloodpoints, if u want a good perk to see survivors out there, just run nurse call and injure them all, i always find them thanks to nurse call rather than bbq n chili honestly...

Here the true Killers have perks with a lot of drawback survivors don't, killers use perks to counter think in the game ( most of the time no even the perks of survivors), killers can't make mistakes survivors can make and will not punish most of the time, and killers get nerf after nerf ( sorry once in a will we may take a buff to one or two killers) survivors ask for more ( the last time killer get buff we wait the nerf to came and oh boy they are worst for what we expect ).

The_Crusader said:

Since I get the feeling a number of you don't play the game in your own time, here are the last 3 of my games...

1) Down survivor. Walk to basement nearby. They hit 35% and surprise Decisive strike me. I now have another chase which lets a gen get done and I'm robbed of early momentum.

2) Down survivor at end while other is dying on hook. Pick up survivor, decisive strike, free escape into hatch.

3) Down survivor in exit gates, pick up, decisive strike and yet another free victory.

Lets be completely honest with each other. Its little more than a free victory. In the above 2 situations there's literally nothing you can do to win. They either crawl to the exit or they strike you and walk out. Is that really what you want? You want the survivors to have a free win? 

It's beyond broken. It's a laughing stock, and still we have nothing.

The other ideas weren't perfect but they sure as hell sounded better than what we have now.

The_Crusader said:

Oooooof said:

One more of these killers that complains about DS. Its only stressfull if all survivors have the perk and when is you gonna se that? Never anymore. 

Yeah that's not true is it pal.

Every 4/5 games has Decisive Strike in it for me - and thats a low estimation. Often times it will be at least 2 DS users in a game, sometimes 3.

I'd love to download this version of DBD that survivor mains are playing where nobody uses Decisive Strike.

@Blueberry said:

@G4rr3tt said:
So you are getting 3 kill games and you are complaining? lol you know a victory is not escaping, or killing all 4 survivors, a victory is having a good amount of points and piping in some cases, if you are getting 3 kills and 1 escapes thru the hatch then dont complain man.. You are pretty much saying that even with ds ur killing more than half the team, idk what's your point then

Firstly, whether someone kills 4 or kills 0 is completely and utterly irrelevant about whether DS is an issue or not.

Second, Enduring is not a counter for DS, they still get to a loop or window.

Third, Spirit Fury is getting you 1 hit after you've been looped multiple times around 2 pallets. This is assuming no exhaustion perk, him having another DS as well, or the fact that now you have to get the second hit...which means another 2 pallets worth of loops..also baring no windows.

Even with those perks, he's still lost a lot of gens in that time...for 1 hook...also assuming no body blocks or flashlights. That one hook got him 1/12 of his objectives completed while it got the survivors almost 50% of theirs done.

A final note as well. Points/Pips is not winning, that was what the devs did with rank up changes to brainwash you into thinking you actually won when you lost so everyone can be happy instead of actually buffing the killers to where they should be. A killer that didn't kill, didn't win.

Wat?? after you hit ds you still have exhaustion dude, it only goes to 0 when you are hooked, and when you are running it doesnt go down, so u can legit use an exhaustion perk once per chase, and killers are way faster than survivors now even when you have the sprint burst buff they still catch up, and yes ds is relevant to kills, because if it were a perk that's making every single survivor escape due to a let's say, THIRD chance, after getting hooked twice, well i would understand what you say, but i mean even if they all run ds, 3 of them have to wigle to 35%, and there are hooks right next to each other, there are legit more hooks than pallets, when i dont have the obsession i never hit ds cus i get hooked before the skill check, with that being said if only 1 survivor escapes and thru the hatch, you did a good job man, u got 3 kills, they didnt finish every gen, and sometimes u even get the survivor with ds hoooked as well, they just escape but they been hooked before, so u can even get a 4 stack bbq n chili for extra bloodpoints..

All this ds crying is just baby crying at this point, "OH GOD 1 SURVIVOR ESCAPE THRU THE HATCH, I LOST CUS I DIDNT GET A 4K, THIS GAME IS BAD PLS BUFF KILLER" stop being a clown god

@G4rr3tt said:

@Blueberry said:

@G4rr3tt said:
So you are getting 3 kill games and you are complaining? lol you know a victory is not escaping, or killing all 4 survivors, a victory is having a good amount of points and piping in some cases, if you are getting 3 kills and 1 escapes thru the hatch then dont complain man.. You are pretty much saying that even with ds ur killing more than half the team, idk what's your point then

Firstly, whether someone kills 4 or kills 0 is completely and utterly irrelevant about whether DS is an issue or not.

Second, Enduring is not a counter for DS, they still get to a loop or window.

Third, Spirit Fury is getting you 1 hit after you've been looped multiple times around 2 pallets. This is assuming no exhaustion perk, him having another DS as well, or the fact that now you have to get the second hit...which means another 2 pallets worth of loops..also baring no windows.

Even with those perks, he's still lost a lot of gens in that time...for 1 hook...also assuming no body blocks or flashlights. That one hook got him 1/12 of his objectives completed while it got the survivors almost 50% of theirs done.

A final note as well. Points/Pips is not winning, that was what the devs did with rank up changes to brainwash you into thinking you actually won when you lost so everyone can be happy instead of actually buffing the killers to where they should be. A killer that didn't kill, didn't win.

Wat?? after you hit ds you still have exhaustion dude, it only goes to 0 when you are hooked, and when you are running it doesnt go down, so u can legit use an exhaustion perk once per chase, and killers are way faster than survivors now even when you have the sprint burst buff they still catch up, and yes ds is relevant to kills, because if it were a perk that's making every single survivor escape due to a let's say, THIRD chance, after getting hooked twice, well i would understand what you say, but i mean even if they all run ds, 3 of them have to wigle to 35%, and there are hooks right next to each other, there are legit more hooks than pallets, when i dont have the obsession i never hit ds cus i get hooked before the skill check, with that being said if only 1 survivor escapes and thru the hatch, you did a good job man, u got 3 kills, they didnt finish every gen, and sometimes u even get the survivor with ds hoooked as well, they just escape but they been hooked before, so u can even get a 4 stack bbq n chili for extra bloodpoints..

All this ds crying is just baby crying at this point, "OH GOD 1 SURVIVOR ESCAPE THRU THE HATCH, I LOST CUS I DIDNT GET A 4K, THIS GAME IS BAD PLS BUFF KILLER" stop being a clown god

So much nonsense here where to begin.

Exhaustion doesn't matter, you still have plenty of time to reach a pallet or window. 35% wiggle means almost nothing whatsoever. The likelihood of getting downed 3 times where you were too close to a hook to use it not a single time is extremely low and highly unlikely. "if it were a perk that's making every single survivor escape" this is not what we are saying. We are saying it's giving a 4th life for free in a game where the killer is already vastly behind on time. The reason whether they got 4 or 0 kills isn't relevant to whether DS is a problem or not is because many survivors just play bad. Killing 4 stupid people doesn't mean the perk isn't too strong, it just means you had 4 stupid people. By your logic of "if only 1 survivor escapes and thru the hatch, you did a good job man, u got 3 kills" if all 4 of you are at the open exit gate the killer should just get to instantly mori one of you because HEY 3 of you escaped, you did good! Oh that would feel like you were cheated and didn't earn it because you were gonna escape? Welcome to the hatch and the standards you just placed. This terrible logic of yours further shown by a stupid comment like "OH GOD 1 SURVIVOR ESCAPE THRU THE HATCH, I LOST CUS I DIDNT GET A 4K" which isn't what we are saying whatsoever if you understood.

If you played killer regularly at rank 1 your opinions would be very different.

You main spirit, with more than 2400 hours, and you are complaining about ds? you played as killer before 2.1.0 and you still think it's unbalanced? k im done, sorry for bothering lol..

Again, it's broken and unbalanced when facing swf.. it always comes to swf, i always played and will play alone, and will have to eat all the garbage nerfs because of swf toxicity, great BALANCE IDEAS

@G4rr3tt said:
You main spirit, with more than 2400 hours, and you are complaining about ds? you played as killer before 2.1.0 and you still think it's unbalanced? k im done, sorry for bothering lol..

You should use this moment as a chance to reflect on your opinions and that maybe if someone with that much more experience than me thinks that then maybe I could be wrong. As others have said, thinking DS is broken isn't something debatable, even the devs themselves have agreed it's broken which is why they are changing it and no, that's not just with swf. Also you really should play killer at rank 1 and you would understand more what we are talking about. Seeing this from just a perspective of playing survivor doesn't give you a real viewpoint of balance.

@Malakir

Anyway you keep saying a free escape I balanced and advocate for that even when the devs themselves felt bad after seeing how abusable that perk is

Actually yeah, legit played games today where i dont even run crutch perks, first thing that happened, i got tunneled to death and off hook, i couldnt even play at all, and why was that? i spawned next to a hex ruin, started cleansing it, so the killer tunneled me and even camped so i wouldnt cleanse it, and that is a "valid" strategy on every killer main eyes, yet if it happened to you as survivor and u stand legit no chance, because you dont expect to get farmed and tunneled you would be just as tired of that bs like me and many other survivors who run ds and adrenaline for those 2 reasons.

@Blueberry

True i should give a try to rank 1 killer, at least on my pov, i still see more 4/4 matches where the killer gets every kill on rank 1, than survivors escaping honestly, i played as killer main before 2.1.0 and it was damn hard, best rank i got was 12 and i didnt even know how to play, right now, running perkless on some killers for dailies, i got up to rank 7 just doing dailies, if u can easly get to that and probably even more, id say the game is most likely balanced, sure rank 1 might be harder, but you have almost 16 ranks, from 20 to 6 or 7, which will be beyond easy... Rank 1 is meant to be hard for both sides, id say balanced is if the killer can get a good amount of points and 2-3 kills. but getting 4/4 every single game as you guys want, if that day ever happens ill just uninstall the game, there will be no point playing a class called SURVIVOR if you will never SURVIVE...

@G4rr3tt said:
@Malakir

Anyway you keep saying a free escape I balanced and advocate for that even when the devs themselves felt bad after seeing how abusable that perk is

Actually yeah, legit played games today where i dont even run crutch perks, first thing that happened, i got tunneled to death and off hook, i couldnt even play at all, and why was that? i spawned next to a hex ruin, started cleansing it, so the killer tunneled me and even camped so i wouldnt cleanse it, and that is a "valid" strategy on every killer main eyes, yet if it happened to you as survivor and u stand legit no chance, because you dont expect to get farmed and tunneled you would be just as tired of that bs like me and many other survivors who run ds and adrenaline for those 2 reasons.

@Blueberry

True i should give a try to rank 1 killer, at least on my pov, i still see more 4/4 matches where the killer gets every kill on rank 1, than survivors escaping honestly, i played as killer main before 2.1.0 and it was damn hard, best rank i got was 12 and i didnt even know how to play, right now, running perkless on some killers for dailies, i got up to rank 7 just doing dailies, if u can easly get to that and probably even more, id say the game is most likely balanced, sure rank 1 might be harder, but you have almost 16 ranks, from 20 to 6 or 7, which will be beyond easy... Rank 1 is meant to be hard for both sides, id say balanced is if the killer can get a good amount of points and 2-3 kills. but getting 4/4 every single game as you guys want, if that day ever happens ill just uninstall the game, there will be no point playing a class called SURVIVOR if you will never SURVIVE...

Rank 7 is very different from playing rank 1. Basing this off other ranks isn't giving accurate information. A low rank idiot will use DS and still go down, a rank 1 is reaching a pallet or window in time. Basing a decision on whether something is too good or not is accurately read by someone using it correctly and to it's full potential, not from a survivor just playing stupid (ie lower ranks). Freddy absolutely destroys lower ranks, does this mean he is strong? No, they just play dumb at low ranks. That's my point. No one here has ever said "getting 4/4 every single game as you guys want" can we let this die already? This isn't what any of us are asking for whatsoever.