Hex Perk totems need a rework.

OxyReap said:

I agree with 1 or 2, good idea. I posted mine recently too, if you wanna check it for give your opinion.

I don't like 3 and 4 because it punish survivors for doing good. But why not a perk who can do this kind of thing, maybe a bit less stronger  

You definitely have a point about punishing players for doing their objectives. But then you have perks like make your choice and devour hope. Is it punishing the survivor for saves, or rewarding the killer for not camping. If we can make a condition it would be justifiable

@azazer said:
OxyReap said:

I agree with 1 or 2, good idea. I posted mine recently too, if you wanna check it for give your opinion.

I don't like 3 and 4 because it punish survivors for doing good. But why not a perk who can do this kind of thing, maybe a bit less stronger  

You definitely have a point about punishing players for doing their objectives. But then you have perks like make your choice and devour hope. Is it punishing the survivor for saves, or rewarding the killer for not camping. If we can make a condition it would be justifiable

I think it must be a perk, and not a basic rule, that's only my opinions after all.

Ruin should just be part of the game IMO. Options 1&2 are a strait yes.
3 would be more like 4/8/12 progression but to be honest that should be a Hag passive in the first place.
4 I'd say 90/105/120 sec would be fair though you would have to address endgame totems

Maybe have the hex totem look like a dull totem from a survivor point of view. And have the killer only be able to see the totem that is their hex . It will slow the game down a bit trying to figure out which one is the hex totem as a survivor 

The only downside to this idea is that there is a chance Noed will not be active because survivors will destroy every dull totem they see. Normally when playing survivors we tend to just focus on gens or finding hex totem but not too much on dull totems all the time. That is why noed gets active most of the time. 

Hey guys, don't forget to balance the game, you look like you want 2 deaths anyway the killer is bad or not. I think just hide the hex totem won't delete the randomness and you can still get your hex perk down in 15 seconds.

The game is already hard for survive a good killer, the problem is the killer have not enough time, good or not against competent survivors. And maybe redisign the game for make them fear again the killer, and promote juking and trying to hide instead of winning time with pallet looping.

Summary of my though :

• Game must be longer (Billy and Nurse need a nerf if this happen) : Giving time to Killers.
• Pallet loop must be nerfed : All low tiers killers are bad because of that, nothing else.
• More juking and hiding mechanics : Have a real chance to escape a Killer, it can make survivors fear a bit more the Killers too, and give them more solutions & more funs.
• Aura reading ability must be nerfed or reworked : It deny survivors to hide correctly and promote only the winning time strategy = pallet loop again.

That's only my opinion, for me, my HEX totem rework idea fix the first point.

One thing's for sure: totem spawns need to be way better. I honestly laughed at the PTB patch notes when I read "made Hill Totems harder to spot" instead of "removed hill totems."

Sometimes, it's just very poor RNG. I spawned near a generator, and started working on it, revealing Ruin was in play. Leatherface came to patrol the generators, so I backed away, and I found Ruin in a spot that's actually pretty easy to miss, unless you are coming from a specific angle. Further into the match, I was being chased, and I saw a dull totem inside a "U" wall of tires (I had gotten into the habit of cleansing dull totems), but I got caught and hooked. After I was rescued, I went back to the dull totem (it was near where I was hooked), and this time, it was lit, and someone else just became NOED's first (and last) victim. Both hexes were in pretty good spots, but then, there are other games where the Hex is just sitting there out in the open, literally like a beacon. People (killers primarily) ought to screen shot totem spawns, and let the devs know which spots are garbage (so garbage I feel bad finding it almost immediately).

@Baklavah said:
The way I see it, you have 2 options, 4 if you want to be brave. Yeah, I've made this kind of a post before, but it's been long since buried. The reason this post is being made is because all of the hex perks are pretty much useless except for NOED at this point. R1 survivors ignore Ruin, and the remainder of the time Ruin is removed from play within 30s of the match starting. It's not fun to use such decent perks if you're going to be running 3 perks for the entire match instead of the 4 you start with. You're gimping yourself. So, my suggestions are as follows:

Option 1: Make the totems harder to find. Less obvious. DO NOT PUT SURVIVOR SPAWNS IN FRONT OF THEM!

Option 2: Remove the light, and allow the unused hex totems to act as decoys. This makes the real totems harder to find, and makes survivors waste time hunting for them.

Option 3: When hex totems are destroyed, the survivors that destroyed them should receive a curse. This curse can stack up to 4 times, reducing their action speeds by 15/20/25/30 %.

Option 4: When hex totems are destroyed, a mini-effect of the perk that was disabled remains in play for 180s.

These options are MORE than fair considering the ridiculous amounts of perks survivors have that counter everything the killers do.

edit
Wrote "patch" instead of "match". Corrected this.

As a survivor main:
*Option 1: Yes. Make them less obvious to find. There are some excellent totem spawn locations, and some garbage ones. They need to be better hidden especially given how fragile they are. Remove all garbage spawn locations.

• Option 2: No, but some hexes are revealed too soon, such as Huntress Lullaby is revealed when you start working on a gen, before it's even gotten a token. It should be after the first hook. If they make hexes harder to find, Option 2 is unnecessary.
• Option 3: Kind of, just have that survivor suffer from the effects of the hex for maybe 60 seconds.
• Option 4: Alternate (or in addition) to Option 3, give the Hex about 30 seconds to fully dissipate.

When ane survivor /s use DS one hex totem will light up and if will break the survivor/s will lose the perk even if he/she didn't use it.
1) If a killer have a hex then the DS will be in that totem ( one totem 2 perks)
2) if their more than one hex perks then one will be chosen randomly
3)Nor the killer nor the survivors will know in which totem the DS will be.
4) we need one or two more perks ( popular perks to be hex too).
My idea.

in general i approve to most of these changes; changing and reworking spawn locations would be a dream come true but may be taking alot of redesigns and hence programming. My proposal: adding two more totem to the roster, as well if the killer use a 'active' hex perk, all totems are lit for the survivors view but only the killer sees the real ones. That way is easier to implement on the programming side as well is a decent bandaid until they make the full map redesign and the mentioned payback/lingering effects if they want to implement these wich i however doubt they're going this far