C’mon BHVR! Now that Wraith has had significant buffs, it’s time for All Seeing Blood to go!
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Hes not op. Quit saying the same thing to misrepresent people. You legit just spam reply the same sentence.
Its one add on that is overused and not designed for his current kit.
Its incredibly unfun to play against since wraith currently seems to be half of my survivor matches. Something tells me you don't play survivor unless you have to.
There's a massive difference between something being unfun/boring to play against and being op.
Nurse = op but not usually unfun because her skill cap and rarity. Still the only op character.
Deathslinger = boring because no chase interaction/counterplay beyond hope he's bad. No map pressure though so he's mid tier.
Boring does NOT mean op. It just means unhealthy design that isn't fun. Quit misrepresenting anyone you disagree with because you hate the idea of both sides having fun.
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It's a purple add-on, not an iri, and it's 12m of wallhacks on a killer that moves at 150% speed AND has the option of bringing a silent bell add-on, or a sloppy butcher add-on too on top of it all. The iri version lets you see gen progress which is strong and deserves being a red.
The add-on was ok before the nerf, but now with Wraith's new buffs it makes him a bit too overbearing.
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Yeah, I think Wraith needs an add-on pass. He doesn't need to rely on Windstorm anymore, and tbh All-Seeing is pretty busted now that Wraith doesn't move at 126%.
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Yes please nerf this addon, i can't hide on bush with my urbain evasion p3 Claudette 😥
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Exactly. It’s only because of all his other buffs (which are perfectly fine, and valid buffs) that All Seeing Blood is now unbalanced. It’s indirectly a much stronger add on by proxy.
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That’s a funny way to spell “David” or “Felix”, and “working on gens and helping the team”
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what are you talking about. old wraith could run purple windstorm and all-seeing. statistically wraith's changes were that if you ran this exact same combination. he got an increase of... 8% speed, a 0.25 second longer speed boost and a lower shimmer. Its funny how dev suddenly got this idea that demo is suddenly "too strong" and how people someone got this idea that "All-seeing wraith" is this new concept that they never heard of.
All-seeing wraith has been in the game.... for like 2 years and nobody complained about him because he was rarely ever played and seen as not a remarkable killer. he has barely changed. his biggest changes is better add-on flexibility and a better lunge post-uncloaking making him significantly better at loops. Wraith players ran all-seeing+windstorm in the past... and I still run it even now.
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tbf clown isnt invisible and fast af
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Imo the addon that needs to go is silent bell
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I have to agree with this. That add on is insane on him. I useto use wraith before his buffs, i would use that add on and pair it with make your choice and i think i won like over 90 percent of my games.
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I think the addon is fine, so what wraith can see your aura he is cloaked and can’t hit you if you have eyes and ears you can hear his loud growls and shimmer. What is even the point of this? Any killer can find you eventually with the right perks I guess pig and Myers are cancer to you as well lul
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I know right. I hate how Pig and Myers are invisible beyond 20m, and move at 150% speed.
Especially while pig is crouched. Super fast. She. Is. Speed. Totally can’t see her.
😒😒😒
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Pig crouch walking at 150% speed would be the funniest ######### I've seen in this game
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Ah yes, at least pig and Myers don’t ring a loud bell while coming out of stealth lul. If that not enough of a warning for you to get off the gens than I don’t know how to help you against wraith. Maybe run windows of opportunity if a m1 only killer is chasing you
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That doesn’t matter. Spotting a Myers or Pig approaching allows for more of a head start than an approaching Wraith. Any Wraith that isn’t brain dead will easily get that hit in after uncloaking, even if that survivor managed to react the moment they spot Wraith coming around a corner.
Now to be clear, I’m not saying that THIS is a problem.
What i AM saying is a problem is when Wraith doesn’t even have to LOOK for survivors with this add on NOW that Wraith has much faster base m/s, and isn’t visible till within a certain range. That information is far too free for a killer that doesn’t give survivors much information until they’re already subjectively close to survivors, and is almost always guaranteed a hit upon uncloaking.
It’s JUST this add on that’s a problem. It’s much more apparent now with all his buffs (buffs that are fine).
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All seeing is toned down, isn’t it only 12 meters? Most situationally aware survivors seem to do well expecting when Wraith will come close as it keeps them on their toes instead of playing gen simulator.
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All seeing blood can be nerfed (either giving it a requirement, decrease it range or decrease something else so it fair to used) and I also want some of his other add-ons like blink (rework), windstorm (I prefer a rework but adding another affect to it is fine) shadow dance (slight buff will do) and the hound (rework) to be a bit better for more variety.
I do believe that bhvr should look at every add-ons on all killers and see if any need buffs or nerfs because most add-ons aren't that great but good be better.
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I’ll do you one better, buff it to see through lockers.
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Make all seing blood iri and all seing spirit purple. Thats it. The range is extremely short, Spine chill exists and his shimmer is seeable way before the add on comes into play. And even then, if you can see his shimmer, he also sees you, so the add on also doesnt come into play.
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Something about reading iri clapper made me wheeze so ######### hard
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You're missing the point man. All-seeing and windstorm was possible before, yes, but this meant you couldn't run a bell add-on or one of his other good add-ons alongside the good movement speed and all-seeing. But now, you can. 150% m/s, all-seeing and a silent/global bell or the sloppy butcher add-on, or purple swift hunt is very strong, and it's a little too much.
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Bell add-on are overrated. realistically speaking, if your on a open generator, you will see wraith's shimmer if your even remotely attentive and if its generator that is dead angle, the ability to hear noise or suppress noise of his bell 9/10 has little impact of whether you will get a first hit or not. Very few survivors will be able to react to his lunge from the bell noise. If they're countering your stealth, a lot of the time, Its either they're swf, they're using spine chill(you can play around this as killer) or they hear your growling noise.
The sloppy butcher add-on is..... just equip sloppy butcher. yes you can play 5 perk wraith.... just like you can play 6 perk nurse with nurse calling and stridor add-on or 5 perk clown, 5 perk deathslinger, legion and so on. Many killers have mangled add-on. Swift hunt and these uncloaking add-on have a very minimal effect to decloaking, I never used these on old wraith and frankly they're not very good. they change his uncloaking time... by whooping 0.3 seconds. A wraith that is played well will often bodyblock survivors in front of them and if successful, wraith's speed-boost post cloak gives him just enough distance to land a hit. Moral of the story, you don't need swift-hunt to play wraith.
so even though wraith has more add-on choices..... his classical old set is ..... still objectively his better set both pre and post change which is why you see wraith's use this add-on a lot. its just really good add-on for information and getting into chase quickly. The other common set you will see is serpent+shadow dance.. but if they're running that, they're not running all-seeing blood so that is mood point.
Wraith is... still just Wraith at the end of the day.
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I currently main Wraith (and I also play survivor, so I'm not JUST a killer main, for context) and I'm glad he got his buffs, but I think that your suggestion would be a fair trade-off - I rarely use all seeing when I play, just when I feel I really need it to help with a challenge or something, but that wouldn't be such a bad nerf to the add-on. I like it how it is currently, but I can see how survs don't and it would be a fair trade off to "make both sides happy" I think. Good suggestion!
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Agreed.
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Sure, may as well. Hopefully around the same time they fix sounds and ridiculous ease of stealth in this game.
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Lower the range from 12m to 8m or something?
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Time for keys to go. Oops nvm seems like they nerfed the only perk that breaks them lol..
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Wrong post?
That has nothing to do with this.
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That ain't a bad idea, actually. It would still make Wraith better than he was before but also pull this one add-on back without completely gutting it.
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Blending on bush is a way to live, a philosophy not a character.
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I agree that the add-on needs changing. Wraith simply doesn't need it anymore. Stop acting like OP is suggesting they absolutely gut Wraith; it's a single add-on, not a sledgehammer nerf.
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No. :)
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What ... No ! This is one of the few addons that change the way wraith can play. The addon is perfectly fine. I don't even see anything in your post that says why exactly the addon is op beyond the fact that wraith is stronger now in other parts. But I really hate buffing wraith to leads to changing actually cool addons. I'd rather have wraith base kit nerfed back like the invis at range. I think the only problem here would be the combination of that addon+another strong addon that is now possible while you have the passive windstorm . But hey many killers have broken combinations like for example the trappers 2 ultra rare combo is just beyond stupid - auto reset + getting injured. And I just don't see this to be on that level even for wraith. They MAY change the addon to be ultra rare
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It's funny how just one Add-on nerf instantly triggers people and are like: "Noooo, Wraith balanced, git gud Survivor Main!!1!"
Same with Demo, his 2 best Add-ons got nerfed by 5% (like 0.2 seconds if even that), while others got BUFFED and they immediately screamed: "Why nerf Demo?" while it's his Add-ons which got a slight nerf and not even the Killer himself. People are so fragile sometimes it's mental.
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It’s totally mental. And I agree with the Lifeguard Whistle nerf. I’ve played Demo here and there and new Lifeguard Whistle was easy mode. The nerf probably won’t make much of difference either because it’s only reduced by 1m. It’ll still be a strong, free info add on.
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Tbh, I forgot about Life Guard Whistle. People were mostly screaming about how the Devs gutted Barbs Glasses and Blackheart. While it got an almost non noticable nerf.
LGW is still decent. Alone the fact that you don't have to charge Of the Abyss to get Killer Instinct makes it still better than base.
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Insults & name calling aren't going to make me think Wraith needs any kind of a nerf. I'd argue, he needs buffs with the add-ons untouched.
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It is ironic that he is complaining about something that gives "free information" when spinechill exists to ruin stealth killers.
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What if it increased the range of detection to let's say ~24 meters but it only revealed the Aura of blood on the ground? Fits the name better, combos with his own perk to make blood last longer, and adds some counter play for the Survivors.
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Wraith can still get countered..
Why punish him by removing a Good addon on him,
That's like saying you're taking clown and Nerfing the bleach addon on him,
Not really a good idea to nerf it now is it..
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Because it eliminates any form of counterplay
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Perhaps it needs to be a pink add-on, and then the terrible pink one we currently have, the generator aura seeing one, needs to become purple. That's what I'd do.
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I would be fine if they at least Rework the add on, and make it a Ultra Rare or Red Color addon; instead of removing it; replace the Gen Fixing aura reading addon, and male that purple! Besides that, the addon is perfectly fine! I do not see it used alot, and I prefer silent bell or even speed addons more then that!
Wraith doesn't need any nerfs; but All Seeing Addon should have been a Ultra Red because of how strong it could be!
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I’m sorry but every time I hear “no counterplay “ first thing I think of survivor wanting a easy win against every killer.
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I'll pass.
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Not really. Blight is good and can 4K consistently but he has counterplay, and is actually fun to go against.
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I agree every add on set should be on the same power level as pyramid head's. Now those are quality add ons, isn't that right obsidian goblet?
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That already exists, is called The hound soot, is a brown add on and is worthless.
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Wraith is a useless killer. All Seeing Blood makes him an ok mid tier killer. Yet you want to nerf it? Never mind other killers who need a nerf or other killers who need a buff. Nah lets focus on the most bland and easy killer to loop and the one addon that could possibly make him viable.
Tell you what. Ill go one better. How about BHVR just remove all addons from the game, and all abilities. No traps, No invisibility. They all just have no strengths whatsoever.
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What extensive experience? Cause i been playing this game for 4 years, encountered hundreds of Wraiths who use All seeing and hundreds more who dont and i can survive against both of them just fine unless they are actually very good.
Your "extensive experience" matters no more than mine, i say its fne, so why should it be removed just cause you dont like it?
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