What do we think about current DS?

But it should still deactivate in egc. Combine DS, bt and more than 2 survivor alive and killer without late late game perks could just go afk sometimes.

I don't agree with the hardcore tunneling that some killers do (although they can play the game how they see fit, since they paid for it). But you have to agree that 90% of the people that run DS, abused the sh*t out of it with the 60 seconds you-can't-touch-me card. Since the nerf, I don't see DS not that often anymore. Maybe one per game/two games. Before it was almost on every survivor.

I can see them maybe buff it slightly to make it maybe a 2 time use, before the EGC is activated. That way you can punish tunnel killers, but not punish people who play fair and square.

Yeah the thing is I used to play differently but for the last 1-2 years I stopped caring for rank, kills and stuff and adopted the "fair" playstyle of 8 hooks before any killing and most of the time no killing at all and just bp farming with bbq.

In the time I cared for kills I did the same but trying to play fair and getting kills is close to impossible with the mechanics I mentioned. Also no slowdown perks.

And you just ignored my previous post of letting it activate on all unhooks, right?

There's literally no reason for this. There honestly isn't even a reason for DS to deactivate upon self-heals, either, while we're at it.

Where DS is currently, I see no reason for it to deactivate in end game. It's basically the only good use for DS at this point because it's the only time you'll actually be able to use it to get away from a tunneler lmaooo

Obviously, yeah, it's a losing situation for the killer because he can't avoid the DS if they're close enough to crawl out before it deactivates, but as long as DS remains a single use perk that is active a maximum of 2 minutes per trial while still having slugging counterplay/doesn't REALLY stop tunneling (outside of end game), I think the end game stuff is what it is and still is fairly situational compared to how old DS was.

I'd like to see it get 2 uses so that killers aren't free to just tunnel hard after eating it.

I still hate that Behaviour makes survivors bring perks to counter tunneling rather than just putting in mechanics that make it weaker though. If they did this they would probably have to nerf survivor a bit but it would be so nice if I didn't feel like I had to dedicate half my build to BT/DS every game.

And that is why I first proposed:

And then remembered its strength in endgame which not only applies to tunneler but also for fair killer like me that first go for the 8 hooks before killing someone.

If we make it activate on every unhook then there should be compensation in egc, otherwise we could just let the game end once the gates are open when more than two survivor are alive and have bt/Ds that can Bodyblock and switch.

I think for 10 seconds after the stun yeah no scratch blood trail or grunts of pain. Its dumb a nurse/spirit/wraith or really any killer can redown you quickly renduring the stun kinda useless and nothing against certain killers.

i think the perk is fine where it is.

• it shouldn't allow for interaction (unhooking, repairing, etc.) if you were doing any of these, chances are you weren't being tunneled.
• it already gives you a second chance not to get hooked again, use that time well. people can run the killer for hours and not use the perk.
• the perk is anti tunnel as much as dropping a pallet is. and i mean, i don't think the perk is even anti tunnel. in fact i'd say it's pro tunneling.
• the argument with it having extra uses is the same as saying your not good in a chase, but you can't just make it where the killer just cant chase and hook people. there are times you gotta go down and face the facts.

No yeah, I saw that other reply of yours, and I made sure I clarified in my reply that I was speaking solely on DS as it is now, not on your hypothetical change to it. If DS changed to activate twice then yeah, deactivating at EGC start makes sense and would only be fair. But as it stands, I think DS shines brightest in the end game.

I think your hypothetical change would be pretty good, but I also think the backlash would be something to be feared by BHVR, even though it makes sense that survivors should have SOMETHING to combat unpleasant killer behavior, in my opinion.

I think it's perfect the way it is. You only get to use it if the killer is actually tunneling. People are just butt hurt they aren't invincible for 60 secs anymore.

i looked at different patch noted for the perk, i saw it had different changes, but what "nerf" do these people be talking bout, the one that added those restrictions?

But why would that bother you or even matter?? By the time you down a fully healed survivor, DS has more than likely run out, because you don't just have to hit them once and then slug or pick up. You have to hit them twice and unless they're not very good at running, heal time+chase time= no more active DS.

It just doesn't make sense to me that any killer would be upset over DS still being active on fully healed survivors.