Good Start but Spirit is Still Op
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I watched your video.
First you are so bad at loop againts Spirit. All you did holding shift + w and dropping pallets early. But i am not blaming you for this. Because she has not any counterplay. You tried confuse her mind but this worked only once.
And second this Spirit was not sweaty. She did not tunnel except when she lost most gens.
And third you guys defeated her because of genrush. And i already said, even Nurse can be defeat by gens. This is not makes Spirit healthy. This shows us genrush is another problem of this game.
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No
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Spirit now has to try is that not good enough?
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No, i am only talking about Nerf Spirit. I have victories againts her but she is unhealthy. Other killers are fine. And there so much killers needs buffs. Thank you for your opinion
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In all seriousness though, the rather confrontational nature of your reply led me to believe this was a direct challenge to something I said. Apologies for misunderstanding.
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What should be done is an indication she is phasing like you said since this allows the no skill stand still mindgame. From an otherwise skillful killer. Also, add-on changes.
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Except an indication she's phasing. After that any changes would need lots of testing.
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Except the standstill mindgame that needs to go.
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As of now the two changes needed are an indication she's phasing. To eliminate the no skill stand still midgame. And an Add-on rework. Some are quite nutty. Anything afterwards would enter the territory of ruining her purpose and need extensive testing.
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But should the standstill mindgame go?
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Well at least you showed once again,just like before that you totally missed the point.
Sure you think you see only one confusion from her because that is all you want to see.
You want to stick to the story that she is so OP.
Come on dude, get better.
Beside whether or not she was sweaty or not, that doesn't mean anything when she is OP.
If she was OP than she would 3k or 4k without sweating.
Every person should be able to pick her up and destroying survivors without much trouble.
Clearly you mixed 2 things up which are, i am terrible as a survivor and that a killer is strong.
But hey sure, you keep thinking spirit is OP and stay in your little bubble.
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Rework mother-daughter ring to do something else and get rid of the shell mechanic because that "mind game" doesn't actually take much thought and I think spirit is completely fine.
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I have said this many times before.
The only tweak she needs is an audio or visual que when she starts phasing and you're in her TR.
That is all she needs, nothing more nothing less
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Oh thank goodness.
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The problem with a lot of survivors is that they are pretty stupid.
And you can mindgame them without much problem.
Even with a audio or visual que they will still complain about her because they still fall for it.
I even had a game as spirit where 1 was way out of my TR and all i did was standing still.
So outside my TR you can hear if I'm phasing or not, and what do you know he actually came walking towards me 🤷🏼♂️
Those type of survivors will fall for anything no matter what and complain about killers being OP
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Bro calm down lol, i am not dev. I will not change anything, i am just complain about game problems.
I am Blight main and i think you are too? And we both know Blight has fair counterplays. Survivors can have fun at chases againts us. Because they are seeing our moves, what we doing, where we going etc.
But Spirit? 0 clue. Yes you can bait her sometimes for focus her wrong location. But this is not working everytime.
And you think op killers can not lose? Nurse is strongest killer in game and even Nurses loses. I won againts so much Nurses. Ofcourse i won againts Spirits too. But i already said problem of Spirit. I have not clue againts her. Is she phasing, is she just waiting and baiting me or is she behind me etc. Because she is invisible.
But even Nurse you can understand what she is doing. When she is blinking, you are seeing she is doing this.
Spirit has 2 problems: First 0 clue againts her and second she has some broken add-ons. Scott, Otz made videos for this but i am sure you will ignore them
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My problem with the standstill at a pallet or such is there's no skill behind it is that there's little a smart survivor can do. Outside of that Spirit can be a little unenjoyable but not too bad. I also think there can be some add-on changes.
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Don't worry I am calmer than you might think 😂
And that is such a nice assumption as I am nowhere near a blight main, let alone being a main in general.
I play all killers and as survivor about as equal as possible, tho i enjoy Wraith above all killers even before his buff.
About baiting spirit.
No killer will fall for the same thing, if they do then they are pretty stupid.
That is why, especially against spirit, to mix things up and try to stay unpredictable as much as possible.
If she's standing still and you are still on the same spot, then that is your fault.
As you should not be there anymore and should have left.
The add ons is only 1 add on which i believe is the mother daughter ring, but even that isn't really that strong.
About killers losing.
I never said they can't, every killer can lose if the survivors are a bit competent.
The thing about strong and OP is with being OP that killer should not be able to lose.
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That's what they all say when they don't like facing a killer.
"Its unhealthy" "It's not fun" "Its toxic"
I do agree a lot of killers are in need of buffs.
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I will throw this in every Spirit post
Stridor should not be nerfed just because Spirit. Its only change you're safe if you have IronWill vs Spirit, other wise there is nothing change. There are alot of way to change Spirit to have counter play, or at least increase window for Survivor to actually mind game back.
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So are camping and tunneling, so i asume we can get your support when its time to nerf those strategys?
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Whenever i get in a situation like that, I either walk away or crouch away.
If she was baiting it to see what i was doing that she gets a free hit.
That is why i try not to stay at a pallet and try dropping pallets to confuse her.
As you saw in my vid where i stayed at the side i came from when dropping the pallet and ran back where i came from.
The other time at the shack where i got dowed was my own mistake as i should have known that she was going to be on that side as that is what i would've done too.
I just mindgamed myself there and could've even extended the chase.
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Again! THERE IS NO WAY TO NERF SPIRIT WITHOUT DEFEATING THE PURPOSE OF HER KIT OR MAKING HER UNFUN! Giving a Indicator DEFEATS THE PURPOSE OF HER KIT
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No what would butcher her kit is knowing where she is going while phasing. This wouldn't butcher her kit because you wouldn't know where she is phasing to.
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Well you are only one in this community. I am respecting your opinion but no, i disagree. Spirit is still broken killer. She needs 2 changes for me:
- When she start phase, give notice to survivors. So we will know she is phasing.
- Rework her some add-ons, Otz listed already broken add-ons.
After 2 changes i am fine with her. Seem like we will not change our opinions, so see you. I think we are done here.
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I do not like facing with Doctor, Huntress, Hag but i do not think this killers "Unheatlhy, toxic, broken etc." So please stop assumption lol. If you wanna argue with me, stay in topic.
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Nope this strategys are legal and both have fair counters.
Next.
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There is a simple way, increase window for Survivors to mind game back
Activation from 1.5 to 3sec (this moment is the most important, 1.5sec to decide where to run, when to stop and walk, when to change direction is too little)
Decrease phasing time from 5 to 2.5sec, Increase phasing speed from 176 to 352. This is to keep her phasing travel distance & time, currently move for 35m (7.04 speed x 5sec) in 6.5sec (activation 1.5sec + phasing time 5sec), changed to move for 35m (14.05 x 2.5sec) in 5.5sec (activation 3sec + phasing time 2.5sec)
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New Iron Will?
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Is that really why? That is dumb... Why nerf Freddy because of her? That makes no sense. I actually tried playing as her once and I straight up can not stand playing as her. Or against her.
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But your giving a indicator which defeats the purpose of her kit
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Stridor will not counter IW anymore, i meant this.
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Umm.. people realize that nerfing a perk isn't really nerfing a killer right? Since all perks are teachable it isn't unique to that killer. Sooo... when talking about "nerfing or changing a killer are we not talking about the killers actual power? Cause nerfing perks and killer powers are two different things.
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It's not that idc about numbers, it's the fact that what your talking me is that the problem that survivors have with spirit is still there.
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There are many many thing on her that make her broken, not just about "standing still". The standing still may not that powerful, but many other things adding into it.
_ She can stand there and out of phase in 7sec. You dont even know what was her move.
. Either stand for 3sec, activate 1.5sec, phase 2.5sec (17.5m).
. Or stand for 2sec, activate 1sec (activate speed addon), phase 3.5sec (30m, with speed addon).
. Or just activate 1.5sec (with addon), phase 5sec (40m, with better speed addon).
Either you crouch, walk, run. It doesnt matter.
Walk, change direction all you want, she can just stand there for longer to check your last direction change, then phase. What you're gonna do with 4sec? Change direction twice again and standing exact place you were? Or out run from her 175 speed?
_Making a fail short phase doesnt punish her. The best is her power at 60%, she will do it again in 6sec and you will have to drop another pallet early in hope you stand at the right side
_She has too many windows for mistake. No exhaustion, out a phase giving a short speed burst then continue with 110% speed.
_Her powerbar at 70% and standing still, make you mind game yourself while she's waiting to fill up her power
_As the example I put there, 7sec standing doesnt give the same outcome, even without addon. And her addon just mess up more.
ect.
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The purpose of her kit is a fair guessing game. That isn't present with the standstill mindgame.
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Yeah a lot of the devs play as her and love her
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Sounds like favoritism lol xD
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It cost them 30.000$ to create Spirit...so
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Who drew that and do they have more?
Yeah she still has a lot of issues, her speed being a big one. You don't have the time to walk or crouch away because she goes so fast to where you are/were.
I don't think giving her a phase indicator alone will fix her personally. Everyone else thought removing her collision would fix her, then they did and it barely did anything.
Just because you know she's phasing doesn't change the "What are you going to do about it" problem. She's fast, she hears you, she has a trail leading to you. As long as all 3 of those things remain true simultaneously I don't think she can get fair counterplay.
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the nerf to stridor wasnt wrong anyway because the only playeres who used stridor in majority (huge omega majority) were spirits so no other killer was getting hurt by this, if any spirit. but of course they need to cahnge her base kit and addons tweak them down considerably.
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But they are still unfair, at least to the victim of these tactics, and "fair" was one of the 2 points you used.
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I did the drawing. (Check my profile for more : D)
No indication when she phase aside. The speed of phase with hearing and scratch mark aside. Its the post phase speed burst then continue on chase with 110% without any fatigue is also why shes a problem.
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If anything this post only proves thst nothing short of gutting her would calm the masses.
Before her first nerf the complaints were no vault animation/prayer beads/collision during phase. So they changed it, they also changed her addon numbers.
Praises were sung and everybody was happy. Didn't last long though it seems since here we are again. Iron will was just buffed/fixed, which is what people were wanting.
But some people apparently have spent too much on pitchforks to give up now.
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Oh true. You missed a phase its fine, there's no fatigue and here's a speed boost rollover to help you catch them.
Kinda makes me sad because I like her concept, but the execution needs work.
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Stop crying Freddy main.Playing freddy,the game's simplest killer and calling Spirit players unskilled? You are amazing 😂 Spirit have countrplay.Just learn freddy :D main.
- 9k hrs surv main :')
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Her add ons literally need to be addressed. Firstly, mother daughter ring + yaku yoke amulet is problematic no matter how you cut it.
Secondly, phase activation speed add ons are currently better to run than phase speed ones and phase duration add ons give you better cooldown recovery than the actual COOLDOWN RECOVERY add ons. Namely the latter is problematic because of how much better they are than actual recovery add ons. Idk if these things are intentional or what but they are just busted add ons all around on a busted killer. I'm not even saying to rework all of them in an add on pass but rather tweak numbers so they're toned down a bit because as I said she's already S tier without add ons and this just breaks her even more.
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Stridor is trash now. A completely useless perk. Which means, that Spirit mains will switch to a more useful perk. I would recommend Bloodhound, as its a far superior tracking perk.
Enjoy the now stronger Spirit!
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