Am I the only one who is getting destroyed by wraiths lately?
I came accros with wraith a lot and now that he is faster I can't get much distance on him.Mind games are harder cuz the speed he has even if i win a mind game he'll just catch up quickly and hit me with that huge lunge this all makes us use our resources faster and when we don't have them anymore what do we do? I don't wanna say he is op but ı really don't enjoy playing against him it is harder to see him now which makes sense but when all these combined isn't it kinda much cuz he has so ######### good add ons
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He’s very strong now and very easy to play so many have picked him up
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Its a combination of factors but I know in all my matches with wraiths recently I felt I have done extremely well against him short term and depending on my team even long term, he has powerful tools but so do survivors just play smart and you can do just fine since while he is strong he isn't overtuned and you can still do well against them
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He's highly over rated and most people don't know how to play against him as he was a laughing stock for 5 years.
He is probably one of the highest survivor perception requiring killers but he can be easily beaten by noticing him approching and running to the nearest loop(preferably one with a window) to loop him there.
Also just pre-throw unsafe pallets as he's very strong at them.
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he is a fast killer now pre drops what he wants he can just kick them while cloacked and create a deadzones or gets the hit easily that's not a counterplay that's using resources even faster
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ı dunno man everytime i find myself with him blocking something or in a deadzone sometimes even just his being somewhere is enough pallets that are unsafe is so easy for him to take a hit
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Hence why I said preferably windows:
You can infinitely vault windows while wraith is cloaked which makes things like TL walls extremely good against him(And also Oni if you were having trouble with him too).
So you can spam fast vaults and run to the other window every time he tries to uncloak until he's forced too play it normally as a basic M1 killer.
If you run the moment you spot him chasing you, you should always be able to reach a window in time unless your in a total dead zone.
However being caught in a total dead zone is bad against literally every killer in the game.
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well that's exactly what i do man still can't figure what to do cuz yeah you vault the window then he vaults back by the time you go back to otherside of the window he can just uncloack and hit you maybe not at TL walls not the entire map is a TL
and i don't have any problems with oni since he has a penalty with the speed he has he can't turn curves very well
maybe ı am bad at countering wraith ı dunno stil not fun to play against
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If he vaults it then most of the time you just loop back and vault it if he does it cloaked and if he uncloaks depending on the window(Such as the generic jungle gym window or TL wall) you should be able to vault it again safely unless he mind games you.
If the wraith is downing you constantly because he's out mindgaming you then, your simply getting the match making throwing you in over your head. Its not the killer being OP as he's just doing a mind game that all 115%(Default killer speed) M1 killers can do.
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He's basically the equivalent of his Windstorm add-ons which every Wraith used before anyway.
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a quick research and i think what ı am sayying is caused by add ons
“Shadow Dance” - Blood
- Tremendously reduces the time required to vault windows, open lockers, break pallets and breakables, or damage generators while cloaked
- Stacks
“Swift Hunt” - Blood
- Considerably reduces The Wraith’s reappearance time
- Stacks
well then isn't add ons need a rework then?
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Shadow dance is a very minor effect in most games as at max its 60% faster or reduces the kick/vault time by ~30% or about .78 faster.
For comparison Demo's shred breaks pallets in 2 seconds or .6 seconds faster(Default kick is 2.6 seconds) then normal and up to .9 with a single add-on.
Also I do not know if its vault speed even works as I have never seen it and its so minor when I used it I swear it didn't have any.
and swift hunt if you bothered to look at the numbers even when stacked with both the purple and the green only add up to 0.4(~.2 per for green and purple) second(22% faster) faster uncloaking.
It seems like your grasping for straws to justify why your having trouble with wraith instead of trying to learn how to counter him.
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Wraith is pretty much the easy bandwagon killer to play as right now. If the PTB changes for Trickster get through to live, he'll be the next bandwagon killer you'll see everyone playing as.
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I bring Bamboozle & the purple add-on that breaks/vaults FASTER for this exact reason lol.
Wraith is still just an M1 KILLER that gets decimated easily. Just have to pay more attention to him now.
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dude ı'm not playing wraith i do not know how minor his add ons effects are he is just harder to play against and ı'm not having fun doing that and the counter play you just said is vault windows vaulting windows is a counter play most of the killers it is like you saying use pallets yeah very helpfull thx for the advice
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I main killer but i am a decent survivor aswell. I play wratih often atm with stbfl, brutal strenght, fire up, pop
Addons : Shadow dance ; the serpent
I'd really like to know how to counter this, either they drop pallet early or i mach 3 to them with m1 after uncloack. And if they drop pallets early, they are pretty dead
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The main thing with wraith and windows is while he's cloaked windows can be used infinitely unlike against all other killers where its 3 times only.
Please just take a moment to calm down. Its ok to have a rant to vent but I am just trying to help you against wraith.
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I'm going to assume he's a baby survivor. Wraith isn't an elite killer and easily gets smashed by decent survivors.
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Simple:
Bait him out as Wraiths with that set up usually won't uncloak to get hits at pallets.
So frequently greeding pallets is very good against that build if forced to wraith uncloak and the build does next to nothing or you loop him for all of eternity/get the double duration pallet stun off on him if he gets in the pallet stun.
Edit: That build also lacks enough gen defence/slowdown so he gets genrushed hard unless he snowballs fast. Aka its a Feast or Famine build as it rarely has in-betweens.
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Unloack till 99% is really easy, and if i see that they are greeding pallets, i will uncloack and smack them. If they don't have superman reflexes, they can't really avoid it
Not saying its the most op ######### in the game, but still, vs your average red ranks survivor, it works everytime. Never lost a game with this build
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still doesn't feel right if the counter play is vaulting at gyms what do you do at normal pallets ? pre drop every single one of them?
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Depends on how safe the pallet is:
A lot of unsafe pallets you run a large risk getting hit at regardless of the killer and wraith is stronger then average at those. Those pallets are usually pre-thrown regardless of the killer unless your very confident in your looping.
However wraith is more or less an average M1 killer at good pallets and can have his power being detrimental at god pallets.
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you can just run around the object where the unsafe pallet is then drop it and then playing it is a risk when i go against a wraith going into that unsafe pallet is already a risk that causes the source consumption faster i get punished more compared to other killers
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Hence WHY YOU TRY TO USE WINDOWS!
There's a reason why the killer-shack, jungle gyms, and, TL walls spawn on nearly every map in the entire game. Its most main buildings have windows.
Sometimes your forced to use pallets poorly but that goes for all killers and you don't always win.
There's no 100% way of beating every single killer or else they'd be F tier and be unplayable.
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* Probably the easiest killer to pick up and play
* Has map mobility
* Is not map dependent
* Has a lunge that can shut down a lot of loops
* Can sneak up on survivors
* Gets the first hit very easily
* Incentivizes the survivors to heal. Making them waste time healing so they don’t get snuck up on by an easy first hit.
* Can shred through pallets with specific add-ons.
This is why a lot of people are playing Wraith. Why not play him when he’s so damn easy and strong?
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Hit and run Wraith is broken against solo teams nowadays. Especially with slowdown/healing slowdown. Still somewhat a joke against swf though. He's in this weird inbetween spot.
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dude i don’t know why are defending him this much but you just said doesn’t make any sense you can’t play all the game around windows this is imposible there gens in deadzones or just near to unsafe pallet not every map is gym based if i can only waste a killers time with windows what the point of pallets in the maps it makes my gameplay field smaller
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He is one of the harder killers to play against if you ask me. I hear that bell, and, well, people say the game isn't scary anymore, but I feel the chill down my spine. Not the perk, like literally.
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I've definitely been getting steamrolled by Wraiths lately, and not for good reasons. Even in the rare occasions they actually commit to chases... Actually, they don't. They give up pretty quickly because I'm not a complete pushover and take advantage of the fact that my team is doing stuff like totems and chests to tunnel the crap out of someone.
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Wraith is extra strong vs weak loops and the "Hold W" meta. So what you need is a strong loop to loop him at, his power is useless there.
You can also annoy him a lot using Flashbangs and Flashlights as the Flashbang takes him out of stealth, making him at m1 killer at unsafe loops or giving you a chance to run to a strong loop if he chooses to cloak again.
I recommend, Spine Chill. Lithe. Windows of Opportunity and Flashbang.
Pick a Flashlight too, you will dominate Wraith.
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yeah that's all true but ı don't run flashbang perk or anything like that inculding flashlights and once the strong tiles are gone there isn't much to do about it or strong vaults are not in everywhere which is a normal thing the game should be based on mindgame loops but as to wraith this thing is doesn't work so makes it very boring and feels unfair
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My tactis is either to stand near a pallet or window if I see him following me.
He usually gets stunned when tries to lunge at me (sometimes I get bhvrd and get injured anyway) or I outsprint him with Spring Burst (you need to make sure he will uncloack completelt).
Always make sure you are running toward next loop window if you see him cloacking again.
90% of wraith relies on their fast and long lunge attack
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well that's what ı am trying to but not works out for me that much maybe I'm bad at this game style
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if he tries the trick where he puts himself into the pallet trying to use his speedbost to make it up to you you have to use your game experience.
Rather a) the loop is long enough you just have to be very focused what he's doing and which side he chooses.
or b) the loop is too short, so once he's 60-70% uncloaked you just run to another trial
or c) you're in a dead zone and you wait until he's 99% uncloaked to just drop the (and only if it is a) bad pallet
or d) you bait him out. When it comes to those pallet standoffs, the first time the very most Wraith gamers will just stop uncloaking at 99% so the first time he does that you just leave or go for another loop or a,b,c,d.
Oh and ignore those "just use a flashlight" guys. That only works on bad killers and everything works on bad killers, same with survivors as opponents. Doesn't matter what you do. Very easy to troll. A good wraith is way too fast and he's invisible so he will just run past you and uncloak. That's more a free hit than anything else...
Perks? I will give you one recommendation: Lithe
Since the Killer meta is shifting to makro killer you need les skill-based tools. You need a perk that extends the initial chase distance because that's what those new types of killer ######### up. If they have to hold W for even longer to get in range, without a chance to hit you.
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Well, spend some time finding a good safe loop before you work on a gen, if you are unsure where to find one.
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thx i think i should be more focused to do these and keep trying then ı'm not a baby survivor but wraith is kinda hard for me to juke
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yeah but maps are not well designed at some point it is not that possible and also that counts for every killer yet thx for the advice
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I use perk Windows of Opportunity. Its insanely good at this point. When you are looping killer you can already plan your next move.
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Play him at highest level and you will see how easy you can make him suffer. Getting all of the pallets out of the way is enough time for a good team to do 5 gens. He's a noob destroyer for sure, but good survivors will play it safe and run to nearby loops as soon as they recognize him. Mindgaming them is also very hard, which means you have to shred most pallets. You have no ranged attack which could help you playing around this and the speed boost has only high value on some very unsafe loops. Playing around this by "hit&run" only works if your ambushes are successful, if not you have wasted a lot of time. He's definitely better than before, his mobility, missing TR, versatility (you can run many different perk builds with him) and strong add-ons make him viable, but he's far from being OP or S-tier.
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Wraith is the same as pre-nerf Freddy now. It's where all the Freddy players went. Stacks slowdowns, unga bunga Tinkerer because who needs game sense, hit and run against solos = win.
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Easy killer to learn with strong add-ons and a power that can be used effectively in small/medium loops. He got the whole braindead package after the last changes. Now we know to whom the Freddy Main switched.
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Sure you’ll play him at the highest and get destroyed. Just like any other killer that isn’t named Nurse. You really can’t use “play x killer at the highest level” when 90% of game are causal and people are playing for fun not to sweat. ANY killer killer except Nurse and maybe Spirit and Blight are getting destroyed at the highest level.
Still doesn’t change the fact that at the causal level he is easy to play and is strong enough to hold his own. Nothing wrong with that. You want an easy to play killer that is pretty strong? Play Wraith. That’s why everyone wants to play him. There is no thinking involved with his power. Just cloak and uncloak. That’s it.
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At the end of the day that's not a Wraith problem, it's a bad player problem. You can't just make every killer terrible or overly difficult because bad players have no will or ability to improve. It's just as mindless to play a Wraith as it was Freddy, as it is to mindlessly use no ounce of your brain as a survivor to improve. If 95% of survivors are terrible and lack and sense of awareness, that's on them. DBD has never been a game that was easy for new survivors, and it also creates a ton of bad killers in ranks they shouldn't be in. Just a hard game to judge skill, which is why red ranks feel like a jumble of ranks 1-20.
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ı just had a match with wraith who uses bamzoozle why he is able block the window when is claocked??? are we really can counter this guys only with TL walls??? wraith is definitly the most annoying thing in the game right now
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I use BAMBOOZLE too lol. Don't even bother looping at a T Wall playa
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wraith needs a rework this is bullshit
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I find vs Wraith very low interactive. Either hardcore tunnel, or hit and run
For hit & run, come to hit while you're doing Gen with Sloppy, nothing nearby to defend yourself, and go away not bother to chase. You either heal yourself through with Ruin active and reset the Gen. Or you push through Gen injured and dying next time he comes.
There is a way to defeat that strat, but requires swf to do so (which I never play)
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survivors' job is harder comparing to playing against other killers and wraith's job is easier it is not imposibble yeah you can beat him but it is still a bullshit
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I use the Hit & Run strategy as it's more fun and very effective. Wraith is still just a M1 KILLER tho.
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yes you are, you have things called perks that can help you in situations you are complaining about and counter play and you should also pick up wraith and 4K with him and see how hard it is. You also forget this game is rng based so you won’t be able to hard counter something so easily like god windows. Just face the facts the killer or survivor have the power to win if they want and there shouldn’t be a “I win” button if you having trouble with a m1 killer
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The key is to listen for his growl. Youll hear his growl before you see his shimmer usually.
Then camp a pallet and wait for him to uncloak. Once hes fully uncloaked just drop the pallet. He wont have enough distance with his speed boost to make a hit, even on unsafe pallets.
Ive played against plenty of wraiths this way and it ends up in a staring contest with me on one side of a pallet, waiting to drop it while the wraith just stands there cloaked. Eventually they just leave to go bother someone else since most people who have picked up playing wraith since his recent change have only started playing him for the free hit they get from uncloaking. Its lame and sad because theres so much more strategy they could use with wraith but instead they opt to use two brain cells.
The pallet camping trick only works if youre in front of the pallet. If you wait by the side of it he can just body block you away from it as he uncloaks.
Otherwise camping a vault can work if its a safe vault but pallets are better.
But if he catches you out in the open hes guaranteed a free hit. Its lame.
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