New idea to prevent camping.

If you wish to post your opinion and viewpoint please try doing so w/o an aggressive tone, the idea that someone can literally face camp and waste 10-15 minutes of someone's time where they can't DC or they'll suffer an even longer penalty is ridiculous, having to force people to punish someone for camping, and the Devs change playstyles and metas all the time that is literally them telling people how they now have to play the game so your point about "can't tell people how to enjoy a video game they've bought with their own money" is ridiculous its literally Devs jobs to change the meta and change what some people may love but a majority don't.

Most people who enjoy face-camping every game I don't believe are physically enjoying the game and more doing it for a reaction or for a toxic reason, if anything making it so the hook timer pauses within 12m UNLESS a survivor enters that 12m radius would be an optimal change and tbh would improve the overall enjoyment and playstyle of DbD it would encourage people to go out and apply pressure without having to stay in close proximity to hooks to force downs/hits at an unhook, I personally will avoid people I've recently hooked so we can all have an enjoyable game (Im rank 4 with this playstyle so clearly it isn't hard to do as I have 350 hours) Im aware that rank doesn't mean much in Dbd, not until they release the MMR system will any rank etc matter but yeah.

I personally agree that a hook radius maybe with some parameters could be good for the overall health of the game as face camping can literally deter new players from playing the game as they wont enjoy sitting there for 5 minutes to die and then have to watch their friend play for 20 minutes.

At the end of the day it is what it is, some people will always have varying opinions and I feel anyone should be open to voice their own w/o aggressive nature.

Also Borrowed Time (I assume you're referencing) basically relys on your teammates running it in solo queue and things of the nature of sprint burst/dead hard/adrenaline/resilience/balanced landing and lithe are all perks that you can use ONCE per chase w/ the exception of resilience which chase wise only benefits from 9% vault speed but 9/10 it wont make much difference I personally believe the Killers are in one of their strongest states throughout DbD and have many perks/add ons at their disposal to apply immense amounts of pressure w/o having to use cheap tactics to get the upper hand.

If anything I believe the game sways more towards killers these days over survivors, that's my two cents anyways, take it or leave it.

It's only a 'lose/lose' situation if you considering going into a chase a 'loss'. But at that point, why bother playing killer at all, with or without anti-camp?

Oh right, sorry, I forgot that an anti-camping measure shouldn't prevent camping.

How is it a bad choice to chase a survivor? What if neither survivor shows up to the hook and instead do gens, wouldn't that be a way worse situation for the killer than the 'abuse'?

Too many people complaining saying it was abused. Well it should be disabled when a survivor is near hook and active only when killer is at hook. Problem solved

Camping might be bad for the one being camped but with kinder3d you are basically a constant ward where the other 3 rush gens.

No to easily abusable and guarantees rescues/ prevents killer from being able to chase around/defend hooks.

You will be more successful rewarding killers for not camping then trying to actively prevent it. Here are some proposals to reward killers for better play:

1. Provide a speed boost (maybe like 10 to 15 percent) that all killers get after a hook that goes away once they enter a chase or after like 20 seconds; this will encourage leaving hook and provide less specific benefits to killers that already have mobility powers, since they will have to pick which mobility option to use.

2. Create more good perks that rely on being away from hook, like MYC and devour, or perks that encourage leaving a hook to complete objectives, thrilling and bbq.

3. Give the killer some kind of basic information to go off of after a hook to encourage them to leave; like allowing the killer to see the aura of the farthest survivor that can be seen (not in a locker) for 4 seconds (similar to bbq).

4. Provide some benefit for not tunneling/camping, cause currently the best strategy for victory is to get one survivor out of the game quickly. Provide this by making survivors that have been hooked suffer some kind of permanent detriment (like 10% reduction in repair time per hook). This will encourage killers to spread out hooks rather then pile them on one person by slowing the game down for the kille. It would also hopefully reduce camping since camping someone to second stage denies you of this benefit on other survivors and the second penalty for the survivor that was camped. This would also make sense lore wise since a survivor likely would be traumatized/affected by the meat hook that went through their shoulder.

5. Provide more bp to survivors who did get camped so they get less salty about it. Also, maybe give them a safety pip as well, for people who still care about pips. After some of these other changes have been done, most killers that will camp will be one's that want salt so denying them that salt will prevent reinforcing that behavior.

I do not believe all of these changes are necessarily great or completely balanced as is, but I think all of them represent a good jumping off point to begin an actual discussion for potential changes that could be done without breaking the game for one side or the other.

A little research before posting this wouldn't have hurt anybody.

Camping doesn't need to be prevented. Survivors just need to stop expecting unhooks to be free.

Imho the best change they could make around camping would be to just make Kindred basekit for Survivors, that way everyone knew when a facecamp was happening, and could work accordingly to actually give Solo, Duo, and 3 man players a better chance to escape. Bc imho, the biggest issue (besides it feeling crappy) is that there's no way to communicate with randos what's happening, and that miscommunication and misunderstanding leads to a lot of time waste by Survivors. Afterall, the best counter to camping/tunneling is just communication and buying time- but it doesn't do anything if your fellow survivors just wate it because they don't realise what's happening.

Mix that with more perks that encourage being away from the hook (More perks like Devour and MYC) and there would be better counterplay to camping. Imho, it would also be a good jumping off point for playing with a few other base numbers- like slight changes to regression speed when you kick a gen, or slight changes to the amount lost upon a base kick of a gen.

Idk, I don't think camping/tunneling will ever leave the game, nor do I think it should because it can be necessary, but at the same time, a lot of Survivors don't necessarily have amazing chances of countering it themselves, unless they're against a Killer that they completely out match in chase and get unhooked, or have an end game wombocombo like DS+UB- which, besides feelings, is a large part of the reason it's complained about and can feel so unfair.

It is expecting free unhooks. Complaints about camping wouldn't exist if there wasn't entitlement to the rescue.

Yes, that's what has been said in earlier posts.

The specific public test builds are the ones in September and November of 2016.

Doesn't matter what year they took place, the developers have stated they won't try to punish camping with mechanics after those 2 failed attempts they instead are making perks to incentivize not camping and going after people who aren't hooked yet.

It does matter what year they took place. Five years' worth of patching has drastically altered the game, so an experiment ran that long ago doesn't represent the current state of the game.

That's because the general survivor meta has been predicated mostly on three perks that all revolve around making the game playable against a killer that tries to prevent you from playing.

The meta won't change, because it can't. Genrushing is a requirement as long as camping exists.

And nothing can be done about it, because any slowdowns would push camping from a guaranteed 1k to a 2k or worse.

I had an idea to slow down solo gen speeds and speed up co-op gen speeds to compensate, to where co-op gens go faster than solo. This would make it easier for the killer to apply pressure and increases the value of them hooking someone, as it removes that survivor's co-op bonus as well. I think it'd greatly reduce the stress and pressure on killers, while improving strategic variety for survivors: go safe and slow by splitting up, or be fast and risky by grouping up.

However, this idea can't be implemented unless camping is crippled, since it would all but guarantee that camping would grant a 2k or worse.

Camping is locking up the entire game.

That'd still buff camping too, though.

It'll take less time for the killer to move from target to target, so the survivors likely have less time before the first down. That leaves more work to be done in the same amount of hang time, and if they don't get it all done in the first hook, the killer has an easier time finding a second target, or using NOED to slug for the 4k.

Everything that makes things easier on the killer makes things easier on the campers.

It kind of does, because any changes made that benefit camping would increase the number of campers, and since no one enjoys a trial with camping in it, that'd kill the game off.

Yeah, camping is easily countered -by what-?

Genrushing.

Literally not doing anything else but min-max the gens to get as much work done for the 120 seconds that the killer is camping and praying that you get out before he's done and/or that he doesn't have NOED.

Gens can't be slowed down in any capacity until camping has a baseline countermeasure. As I said, you'd shift the meta a bit if solo gen speeds were slower than co-op gen speeds to make sure that the safest option for doing gens isn't also the fastest one. But that would require a camping nerf, because otherwise camping will guarantee a 2K or better.