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A simple question for survivors, why do you bully?
After getting three bully squads today it's safe to say I will be taking a long break from this game for the foreseeable future. So my question is, why?
Does it bring you satisfaction to humiliate and ridicule others? You don't know what the killer is going through. They could be playing this game to escape from what is going on in their life, but you don't care. Do even the realize the killer is an actual person? Or do you see them as a bot you can bully to no end?
The harassment doesn't even end after the game is over. Because you feel the need to berate them through the end game chat or in messages.
As Marguerite would say, "Are you ignorant? Or is it that you just don't care?"
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They don’t care. It’s a sad fact. It’s a disappointing fact. They just don’t care.
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What is "bullying" in dead by daylight?
Being better than the other player?
Flicking your flashlight?
T-Bagging?
Offensive end game chat?
Using perks you don't like?
Hitting the survivor on the hook?
Having survivors swarm the hook to do saves?
Flashlight saving?
I'm genuinely curious as to how you were bullied, and also - unless you're reporting people for end game chat you can, and probably should just hide it, or leave the end game lobby after the match there is nothing to gain from being there yet people will sit in it and read the chat (and usually reply) and then come to the forums without reporting or even considering to hide the chat and complain about their experience.
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Because they enjoy it. It's as simple as that. It entertains them to make you as miserable as possible.
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Yeah, it doesn't sound to me like you are "genuinely curious", it sounds to me like you want the OP to give the examples so you can try to discredit them as not counting as being bullied to be argumentative.
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Except every case of "bullying" I've seen in dbd is the exact things I've listed, which aren't really bullying besides the end game chat thing.
I had a killer dc over deception yesterday and then proceed to start typing N-bombs in chat, I don't think that was bullying but I certainly reported it and moved on and didn't make a huge thing about it on dead by daylight bc if the actions of the person were to be deemed bullying they'd be removed from the game after a report is looked at.
but instead people come to the forums and say they've been bullied when it usually means they've had a game where either the survivor or the killer was better than them, or they got DSd one too many times.
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In my experience, there are ways all of those can be considered bullying, however not every flashlight save and not every t-bag and not every perk used is bullying.
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that's why I bring freddy I've never gotten less than 3K with Freddy not counting the old Freddy
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No
Sometimes, usually yes. Depends on context.
Sometimes; usually yes. Depends on context.
Absolutely.
No; but running DS and unbreakable is seen the same way as a killer running noed generally. It's not bullying though; not at all.
Sometimes, yes.
No.
No. However sometimes groups knowing they can bully a killer; will intentionally keep getting caught to keep doing this; because they realise the killer is very inexperienced. In that case; yes absolutely. They could just go and win; but choose to harass the killer instead.
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the same reason people play ruin undying thana dying light freddy with swing chains and jump rope. because it's "fun"
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I could ask the same thing for killers too.
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I find killers to mostly be bully’s hardly ever get a survivor that bully’s and I play both roles
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End game chat I absolutely get and all actually offensive end game chat should be reported, if someone gg ez's you, it's not bullying.
How are you being "bullied" if someone t-bags or flashlight cliccks? How is being t-bagged by 4 survivors "bullying"? It seems to me that it has 0 effect on the actual game and would in fact make it easier to win if survivors are t-bagging and not running away, I just don't see how this constitutes as "being bullied".
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Usually the people doing that are terrible too. They never get use out of thana and dying light because they are stuck chasing one guy like half the game, and give up like any tracking perks so they keep getting lost all the time.
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That's a fair question I am happy to answer:
Because they KNOW they can. They do it at like every pallet; with every stun, etc... because they know they can do it and get away with it. They t-bag at each gate to make you waste time forcing them out with no hit; with the sole intention of BMing; it's usually done with the INTENT to upset another person. So yes when you do something with the intent of bothering another person, yeah that is a mean spirited move. It is done to upset another person.
There are exceptions of course this isn't always the case; but quite often it is.
There are times when someone wants to tilt a killer for example to try and bait them to chasing them when it is a bad move to do so, I don't like it, approve or do this myself; but I understand and that is an acceptable reason to do so- most often that kind of reason is not the case however. So as I said, it depends on context.
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I just don't see how t-bagging in an exit gate is "bullying"
I can see how someone repeatedly targeting an individual, take constant stream sniping and harassment that is bullying.
But one random survivor spamming CTRL in an exit gate isn't even close to "bullying".
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They're too {REDACTED) to have morals.
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For the same reason as above, depending on context, but quite often it is done with the intent to upset someone and waste their time as much as possible. They wait at each gate; make you walk back and fourth between each of them to swing (and miss because they wait to run out) and then back to the other gate to do the same thing OR just wait the entire timer out.
The latter example, targeting specifically one person is actually a reportable offense. It takes hard evidence; but it is.
Spamming anything, a behaviour that is done with the intention of upsetting someone, because you KNOW it has the ability to do so, is an intentional act of causing grief to another person. That is bullying. Especially in the context I mentioned above.
It's not up to YOU to decide if you are being a jerk; it's up to everyone else around you.
If you are acting in a manner; solely for the sake of upsetting someone else- you are being a jerk. It's known obviously to be considered as such by many people around as you can see, or else there wouldn't be a discussion about it. It clearly causes grief; it's done often with the intent to do so; therefore it is as such.
(Edit: and I wish to be clear, I am NOT trying to pick a fight, I am genuinely trying to answer your question wholeheartedly and respectfully. I fully believe nothing gets made by better by slandering and picking fights; but by communication)
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I don't know anyone that t-bags or flashlight flicks to "upset" anyone, it's used to distract and draw attention to something else, or illicit a chase because survivors are kind of... supposed to wastes the killers time so like gens can be done and stuff.
and I'm sorry but what? walk between the gates? like... the match is going to end you can just wait it out, I've had more killers fake giving me the hatch than I've had survivors make me wait a whole 2 minutes for the end game, better yet hold W and like you said they leave ending the match in less than 2 minutes.
Again, nothing even close to bullying, trying to get a killer to chase you by means of taunting isn't bullying, at least not to me.
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Whats your playstyle? Are you a mega sweat dirty killer or a fair player? I almost.never get toxicity because I treat the survivors like I'd wanna be treated, don't tunnel camp etc. But sometimes there is an idiot that will taunt you because they win. I chalk it up to them being piece of crap lovers and don't let it bother me. Everyone has bad games
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You don't know anyone who teabags and flashlight clicks in the Exit Gates? No-one at all?
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Yea of course I do but they don't think "I'm going to t-bag because this is totally going to upset the killer" all of them, like me, don't care about flashlight flicking or t-bagging because it does literally nothing, you probably have bigger problems in your life if t-bagging and flashlight flicking are the things that tick you over the edge.
Being annoying for 5 seconds is not "bullying".
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It is very much done for that purpose quite often. In the contest you are talking about, it can be fine as I said, though I personally am uncomfortable with doing that myself, I don't begrudge it in that scenario.
As for the gates; I've explained this already. It's not a big deal, but it is done with the purpose of just wasting time and taunting the killer and causing grief yeah it's being a little toxic. Not much; but it's all those things being done together quite often, for that purpose, that makes it so.
Also; you are now deflecting what I said and trying to say it's something else; as if to make it say I am arguing on behalf of something I am quite clearly not.
If you chose not to listen and prefer your own opinions over anyone else's or their feelings, that's fine I can't stop you, but I'll say it again: If you are just trying to get attention to help your team, that is vastly different than a whole team doing it for the sole intent of upsetting another person. It is not to be productive; it is done out of pure disrespect and nothing more.
I'm going to leave it at that; I have answered all your questions fully and honestly. If you chose to ignore that, it can't be helped- but I DID answer them. I see no point in repeating the same message a third time.
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How do killers bully?
I mean, i´ve seen survivors flashlight click or vault spam. But what is it exaclty, killers do to bully survivors?
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They follow you to your steam profile or message you on console forcing you to private everything.
Survivors call killers toxic but it is exceptionally rare to get in game or steam profile rage. While if you do anything as killer that they don't like you will probably be messaged by a survivor.
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Because some people are just #########.
There's not really much more to it than that.
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Why do they do it then?
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catch one. face camp. it literally turns the tables on who is really having the fun :P
also if you see 2 flashlights - lightborn or infectious fright
if you suspect swf - mad grit
if you suspect auterism of any type and you are strong in a chase and good at tracking without perks just use the perks that remove the mechanical vulnerabilities of the game like hook blocking and flashlight saves.
usually with teams that try to bully, their crutch is their ability to flash light save and block hooks and by removing their capacity to do so really just makes the game a hold w match and m1. swf that carry each other up the ranks are usually individually weak at looping and counter building really exposes and takes advantage of this.
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I don't teabag or click flashlights or stand at the gate or anything like that because I wish for the killer to have enjoyable time as well, unless they play like an ######### and I just happen to be winning. Though, that's extremely rare but always tastes sweet then.
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I get and appreciate where you’re going here, but there’s more to communication than the written and spoken word.
There’s always a clear distinction between in game behaviour that’s simply playing the game, and behaviour that’s intended to make the experience for another player as miserable and as frustrated as possible.
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Because so many big name streamers and other high ranks push the idea that you must best the other side as humiliatingly as you can, otherwise you are 'not playing right and should just uninstall the game'.
i wish I was kidding.
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Bullying has nothing to do with the effect of the action on the actual game.
For example: you bully someone in RL when you repeatedly insult him. Words dont have a effect, you could ignore them. Its still bullying.
I personally am not affected by teabagging, but i know its seen as toxic in majority of the dbd community. So i dont do it.
In theory its just a useless movement. It has only an effect bc players feel bullied by it. But i dont want to bully a player, so i dont do it.
I understand that its sometimes used to get attention and i thinks thats fine.
But most of the time it gets used for "you cant get me". When the killer is good, he will get you and he has no problem with it. But when the killer is really a worse player and cant get you, then its just rubbing it in. You know he cant get you and its just bullying a weaker player.
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since i play a lot of killer whenever i play survivor i always respect the killer and when i see teammates being toxic sometimes i decide to be toxic to them because i feel bad for the killer. it isn't fun.
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Extremely well said.
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Yeah, I've not received too many messages as Survivor.
However, I've been DDos'd for hours, spammed with party invites from multiple accounts for several hours and been called every slur/derogatory name in the book as Killer.
Those things upset and frustrate me. Sometimes, they are funny tho. I got this one after I didn't farm with their SWF.
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Teabagging is toxic, by doing so in the exit gates survivors send a signal that the killer failed his objective and couldn't get them. It's just another way to say the killer is bad. If they just wanted to waste the killer's time, they could just walk or stand there. In many cases they teabag when everyone has left and they could just leave too. Some people might not realize what exactly they are doing, but they instinctively want to brag how they outplayed the killer and how better they are at the game.
Hook smacking is a similar thing a killer can do. Killer outplays a survivor, hooks him and keeps hitting, so that the defeated survivor feels even worse.
Not sure either of these qualifies as bullying, it depends on how to define bullying, but these are not nice behaviours at all, which are meant to upset the other side. And, apparently, upsetting someone else is considered fun, that's why it is done.
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BMing and being toxic to one another has been a thing for decades now in the online community. Just play something else
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This is a asymmetrical killing game where killers have the advantage. Unless you are with 4 red or purples that know their job, do all side objectives and are happy to consistently get in the killers way on all survivor hooks...KILLERS are at a ADVANTAGE.
How do people get through life when the concept of "bullying" is a go-to complaint?
I have a request. Enjoy yourself and play the game. If there is a survivor being an dink, kill them on the hook 1st. If you see green offerings, maximize the game. For God sakes, stop wearing your heart on your sleeve like survivors are your girlfriend.
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######### are gonna #########. They either bury their head in the sand and say "Even though we see countless threads of killers coming to the forum and downright QUITTING the game over this, I'm not bullying!!! It doesn't bother me, therefore it doesn't bother anyone" or they don't care that they're making someone else miserable.
Unfortunately there's not a lot you can do about it. ######### are gonna ######### and short of making some pretty draconian rules about it, people will always find a way to justify being an #########.
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The only time I will ever t-bag is when I have a mach like this one a few weeks ago:
Match was against a Bubba. He couldn't find anyone until my gen popped, he started chasing me and I looped him for a LONG time (he left me for a few seconds once the 3rd gen popped just to come immediately back cause I guess he couldn't find anyone). When he finally downed me, the last gen just popped and he hooked and face camp me. My team mates tried to save me but there was no way for them to be able to do so, so I tried to kobe and actually did it on my second attempt! The gate was not far (my mates opened it while the killer camped me cause he didn't care about anything but staring at me). My team mates tried to give me a bodyblock but he didn't even try to hit the others, just went straight for me again, so I went ahead and t-bagged him once I was in the safe zone in the exit gate. Yes, I did it out of spite cause I wanted to rub in his face how much he failed. Ofc I depipped, he depipped and until the end it was just a totally unfun match! He even was a red rank so defo not a new player.
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It's not anyone's fault but your own if you allow yourself to be upset by a game, nothing in this game but the chat can be considered bullying, if someone plays better than you that's not bullying even if they are t bagging or whatever, do you expect people to just not have fun in the game? Because I can tell you right now if you do nothing but hold M1 and try to hide you must have some really boring games , sometimes you have to BM to get a target on you and get them to chase you instead of a weaker link, or sometimes if you know you can get away with stuff you will just for the laughs it's never a personal attack on that person but people are so soft they take the game as if it's real life and everytime they walk out of the house they're gonna be t bagged and flashlight clicked it's ridiculous.
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Dude play hunt showdown. The devs there actually listen to their community and theres little to no toxicity. Well therre cant be any from the enemy if you put a bullet in them lol. The game is so dope and did for me what dbd did for me the first time i played it. Dbd is dead in my opinion. Its been the same game for 4 years and the devs here play us for fools drip feeding bad content. Im over it lol. I just come back to see if the community changes every couple months or so. Spoilers it hasnt. Still full of adult children
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Bullying to me is when players who are significantly better than you does everything they can to keep you from scoring points.
When I was a new killer, I encountered this multiple times. Once, I had a red rank (no doubt paired with another player) when I was 16-18. While all the tactics they used are legit game play, it would be like an NBA player blocking all the shots, stealing the ball, and mocking a 5th grader playing against him.
I had a toxic group of purple and greens mock me in game chat when I was around 16. Yes, I responded pointing out the huge rank difference.
Now, those same tactics, they don't bother me as much, because I am a much better player and can counter most of it. (Red ranks are hit and miss with me, some are actually really good, others, like the 2 I played against today, I thought they were 13's or worse. Slugged each of them once instead of death hooking so they could get more points. I'm currently rank 7.)
But I do watch the lobby and see what they are carrying. I don't change my perks, because I like what I use and I'm pretty decent at it, but at least I know what I'm walking into. However, if I get 3 shiny coins as offerings again, I will DC shortly after the match starts. 3 people escaping with a key because they got 3 gen'd hard. Waste of my time and effort.
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Just counter bully them:
-facecamping
-Insidious facecamping
-facecamping with chainsaw
-afk strategies where ou refuse to play with them (not interacting with survivors until you have NOED + bloodwarden)
-hardcore tunneling
-farming traps next to bleeding survivors for 4 minutes
-holding iri head next to a hooked survivor
-Bubbas Basement
-farm traps in a corner until they step in it (use Distressing for 200 BP every trap)
-just slug all game and let them bleed out
-afk wraith with noed at the exit gates
-afk insidious + noed nurse behind the exit gates
But most people are like "oh its not fun to play like this..." you are wrong. Its hilarious. Its Fun. And its rewarding.
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Just like there’s ######### on Facebook or any other social media communication, they aren’t seen, not in person, nothing to fear, and decide to be the aids of humanity and trash talk.
but it’s okay. Deep down we all know these punks are sore losers, and in real life they just are bored, useless, and empty people, not worthy of the sperm that fertilized their egg.
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Because some people genuinely can’t be happy unless someone else is miserable. I don’t understand the mindset of people who act like colossal dicks online and find it fun. Maybe they just like the attention
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I'm not toxic or at least I don't think I am.
I generally try my best to not be toxic or annoying to other players.
Can you at least not imply that all survivors are toxic?
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Sadly competitive games tend to be full of toxic behavior.
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That along with being able to slander others anonymously that the interwebs has brought us.
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I should add that not every survivor bullies. I don’t, and I hate when my teammates act like #########. I know it’s bad, especially since a killer told me to go ######### myself after I complemented him and said I was toxic because I was a survivor and we all are. Killer is hard to play. I appreciate it when I can get a game with any of you. Well, except Bubba.
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If someone needs a squad in a 4v1 while playing the stronger role... Is it really bullying? The worst they can do is blind you, and even then, with the power of lightborn, they can't even do that, really.
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