Pinhead is weak

Tbf if you slap hoarder and franklin's on Pinhead to reliably and consistently get the box and in turn chain hunts, he is pretty unstoppable. This does of course require you to run a specific build.

Weak - as in thanks for creating another killer that's just annoying like thana legion. not weak or strong, just not fun. are u guys just out of ideas on how to make killers both fun to play as and against? oh well with the rank changes there's literally no incentive to play - just alt tab out and hop into another game and hope for something decent the next round LUL

well, that's fair. :)

I just had a game where I lost my early down, because my lunge didn't connect when I was right behind them. Pulled of the perfect mindgame and everything and got nothing for it.

The other thing that grinds my gears alot is the amount of times I just reach the survivor and they immediately break the last chain and use dead hard instantly. Like can there be some kind of buffer after the last chain breaks to prevent that. Deathslinger buffers the stun on survivors after breaking the chain for his lunge.

You kind of have to, though. You see that right? Especially since your initial comment was, essentially, a "get good" response to those that feel he is weak. How can you maintain that a killer is top tier when going against survivors that would make any killer look good? Plus, there are many survivors that are new to playing against PH, and are confused by the mechanics. New killers are always a challenge, especially to survivors that are less skilled. A killer can only be considered top tier when going up against the best survivor players.

You don't have to have the best game ever, just games against top tier survivors. If this is the caliber of survivor you typically go against, how can you accurately judge his quality? They make him look good. You need games where the survivors play at a competent level in order to properly determine his quality. It is possible that at your ranking, he is one of the best killers for you. Maybe his playstyle just works better for you than other killers, or you just like him better, in general. That's fair, and really all that matters, for you. But that is not a good indicator of how good he is, overall, compared to top tier killers.

And, to be clear, I don't think anyone thinks he is the worst killer in the game, or anything, but he does need some tweaks to get to where he should be.

So I point out that your original post was essentially a "git gud" comment, and you try to turn it around on me. Nice try. Nowhere did I say you suck, or imply it. I never mentioned your gameplay at all, so don't try to redirect the conversation. In fact, I was assuming that you were a top tier player. Otherwise, how could you claim he was a top tier killer?

That said, those were not top tier survivors you were going against and/or they were confused by the new killer's mechanics. That's not saying they suck, either. It's not an insult to not be top tier. I already said that I was a middling survivor, so while I would have done better than some of those players, I would not be a good candidate to prove your point with, either.

The videos did not prove your point that he is a top tier killer, just good in the situation that you played in. With the new MMR system in place, we will not see balanced teams for a while. When survivors run right to you, or right across your path, so that you can hit them without even going out of your way, that is not even close to top tier game play.

It's not even that PH sucks. His mechanics are good, he just needs some tweaks. The Lament, alone can be very affective at keeping teams busy, and worse if it goes active.

Survivors can break chains in time for small loops due to being able to break multiple chains and chains can hit environment instead of survivor. Survivors can break multiple chains at once by pressing break and walking through environment. Like demo, som add ons need to be in basekit.

Something that's really been bugging me: why is Pinhead's move speed while charging his gateway so damn slow? Pinhead is just Clown 1.5, didn't they learn their lesson from bottle movespeed?

He can be strong but it's super inconsistent. He basically loses or has a decent shot at winning on map selection and he can mess with a good solo queue better than any other killer, especially if you run plaything. Surprise chain hunt and you can basically pick them clean as they run around like chickens or just rage quit. Chain hunt can be overwhelming if you let it. This is bad because, with the right map, the environment can make a good active chain slow go from 5 seconds slow to a 2, so you can't even catch up thanks to the time it takes.

Not to mention any premade, that knows to solve the box on every down nullifies your strongest power, which gets weaker the fewer survivors there are. They know to juke the chain as it starts flying because the portal appears near them. They know that if they gain enough distance, an active chain without chain hunt won't let you catch up. And they know the lunge is bugged so they can expertly play you on loops.

It's hard to say where exactly he is because he's extremely reliant on perks that give you info or help you mind game, but the bugs certainly aren't helping much. You're doing a lot of work for a character who most of the time is somewhere between a clown and a death slinger, and can be very easily denied from being a doctor.

His base kit feels far too weak, to the point of being nearly entirely inconsequential. At most distances, using your power is the wrong decision, and when you're close enough to use it and not lose distance, you may as well just skip it and go for the M1. Not to mention the fact that chains break on environments mean that on indoor maps, for all intents and purposes he doesn't have a power at unless chain hunt is active.

Ignoring indoor maps, the only time he feels strong is when chain hunt is active, then he is actually fairly oppressive.

That strength however is frustrating to play against since chains activate every other second, making it entirely impossible to do anything at all. But even if you get the box, chains can harass you and prevent you from opening it which feels like a design flaw or a mistake. I believe it should be a nuisance, and a passive threat that could help him win chases. Maybe you can't complete a totem while it's active, but you should be able to heal someone or finish a gen that's nearly complete.

Chain hunt is then also unrewarding to use as Pinhead, since the strongest part of his kit is the one part he has zero control over.

Solution:

1. Buff his Chain Summoning power. Every 5m away the survivor is from Pinhead, let it spawn 1 additional chain. Then it will be usable at longer ranges.
2. To make the power more consistent across all maps, remove the ability for chains to be broken on the environment, but keep survivors being able to break them so coordinated teams have interesting counterplay.
3. Nerf and adjust chain hunt. 1 chain every 8-10 seconds, and have it activate at 80s by default rather than 90s.

I also think it's kind of sad that Pinhead can't ever see his own Puzzlebox. I feel like he should be able to see it within 16m at least just by default.