Alright, I'm On-Board With A NOED Change.

Neither of these things are mutually exclusive, so discussing one without regarding the other is completely pointless. You will get no were. This is the first time I will ad-hom, but if you can't properly handle NOED even as a solo if it's something your worried about. Then there are many things you've yet to learn about this game my friend.

Let me be clear. You do NOT play at high MMR if your soloQ games "end in complete tragedy". You just don't. I rarely EVER have serious problems in my surv games unless the killer is obviously outplaying the crap out of us. Then he deserved every kill he/she got with or without NOED.

If you feel like your scrambling almost every game, that's a you problem. I have yet to this day after dying to a NOED thought "wow this is OP or unhealthy".

Let me remind you, you know if your in high MMR if survivors are in control all game. There is no denying this game is survivor sided at high MMR. No one does at this point.

So I guess I will be your cute totem clearer. I'm not im not here complaining that a mediocre perk is OP, or "unhealthy". I'm done posting in this thread.

Only if dead hard also gets changed.

This is false and you can see from the wiki that NoeD has been in the game since the start, actually receiving a change in patch 1.0.2 to make it activate when the last gen was done and not when the exit was opened as it had been originally.

Please check your information before presenting things as fact, like it being ‘made for a band aid fix’.

Fact is back then killers were supposed to be scary and get you; they also had perks like Insidious to support a playstyle that over the years became frowned upon, but it’s clear that this was meant to be a completely different experience to how it is now.

it already got changed 3 days ago.

Make it so you can only insta down people you hooked at least once. This way, if a survivor managed to avoid/escape the entire game you can't get a cheesy kill with noed at the end of the game.

That's literally the only change it needs. If you did well, hooked all survivors 1 or 2 times but you simply need more time NOED will help as it reduces the chase time in half. But if you didn't even see a particular survivor the entire game or were unable to catch him then NOED won't hand you that player on a silver platter.

I'd like to see a weekend with no perks at all, but that's definitely not gonna happen.

My friend and I did a challenge one time where we had to play killer with no perks or add ons. It turned out to be fun.

So why exactly should a Hex that hasn't affected anyone yet be made aware to everyone as soon as the match ends? That's not how hexes work.

There's maps, there's perks, there's straight up awful totem spawns, along with 5 whole gens to compete before it becomes active. More than enough tools to counter it. Gens are not the only objective. Literally what the devs are telling you by putting something like Boons in the game.

Yeah, if you're in a swiffer. And even then, if the killer catches the desginated totem hunter, what then? Small Game doesn't do jack when you're on the hook!

EDIT: And you have to remember the perk tax: 12/16 are likely to be BT, DS, UB to make the game playable. So really, it's 1/4 of the actually open Survivor perk slots.

Interesting, didn't know that before. Could have sworn that someone somewhere said it was a perk introduced in late 2017 or something.

But I would still consider it a cheap perk against solo teams.

Thing is you never know who you are up against next game.

The killer can’t tell if a team is solo or SWF to know wether they feel NoeD is necessary; and we can see the issue in game currently when they balance around solo survivors - it makes things unbalanced in SWF.

Same for survivor; I’ll have multiple games where the killer is camping/tunnelling so I’ll bring DS/DH/BT/UB etc and get matched against someone either playing a weak killer or just being outmatched and the perks are unused or complete overkill.

The only way forward I can see is to make perks like Bond/Empathy/Kindred base kit so even solo survivors have a closer level of information to SWF.

You can’t balance otherwise when there’s such a big difference between them as whoever you balance for, it’s going to make things difficult for the other.

Balance for the highest level play and bring the lowest level as close to it as you can.

Seems madness to nerf killer things, then buff solo survivor and have to rebuff the killer things; just buff solo information, add a Small Game counter without the perk for everyone once NoeD is in play etc, baseline map wide Bond and change aura colour when they are injured etc.

NOED is fine, particularly with the existence of maps/anti-totem perks and Boons (that synchronize with the former).

Someone that is good at the game will do good with NOED....or any other perk, really.

Using this as the basis for an argument advocating for a change is not strong ground at all.

Yeah, NOED definitely needs a change.

Probably not the best idea, but I had an idea for a NOED rework: Make it a regular perk and have it gain tokens every time you hook a survivor. During the end of the game, if you down a survivor it takes up one token.

I've because most survivors just didn't do them, so it feels like they take so much time. In reality if each survivor did must one totem, casually between gets, they’d all be done before NOED even has a chance. It's extremely easy to achieve but even with totem tracking perks, it scarcely happens.

NOED isn't really a problem. Just make it so there's no surprise after the final gen pops by having the "Exposed" status effect pop up after the final gen is done.

NOED is needed. Leave it alone.

Needed because of how survivor sided the game is. Make it better by having it as Base Kit. Agreed