I think I should delete the Shadow Step or Boon Totem

The only things I want from boon totems is that the totem itself is destroyed upon snuffing it out, as well as them being trumped by killer hex perks that don’t appear immediately (NoED, Plaything, etc.)

The effects are fine, in my opinion. Time investment is a drawback for survivors, sure, but how much is 14 seconds really? I just want more strategy behind them. Place them in a far-off spot, making them unattractive for the killer to seek out. If he does seek it out and finds it, it should be rewarded.

It takes longer to bless a hex than to destroy it, that was a change put through from PTB to live. So if a survivor is blessing your hex, congrats, he wasted 14 extra seconds.

NOED overruling boon totems would probably render them unusable. Nothing's worth that tradeoff.

Ignore me, i'm talking out my butt and getting my numbers wrong lol. Point still stands but thanks for pointing it out.

I like the idea of Boon totems in principle. There’s nothing inherently broken with having a resettable perk that puts a boost around a limited stationary area. Whether or not a specific boon is overpowered or underpowered is entirely dependent on its actual stats such as its radius of effect and percentage bonuses to actions. For instance, Circle of Healing would be too weak if it only gave a 1% speed increase, but too strong if it made healing instantaneous, so somewhere in the middle there exists healing speed increases that are reasonable. Likewise if Shadow Step’s radius was only 1 meter it would be worthless, but a map-wide radius is too much, so again somewhere between the extremes there is a sweet spot for the radius where it’s ok.

I have no data to say whether or not the current versions of Circle of Healing and Shadowstep are overpowered, but I’m sure he devs are monitoring them since they’re brand new and if they hypothetically are skewing the escape numbers they’ll probably be tuned down to compensate. But the general system of how Boons are placed and resettable is ok.

They shouldn't be tossed on the garbage heap but they also need to be looked at and how they work, like someone said a hex can only be destroyed once the totem no longer stands (even says it on the perks) blessing still leaves it standing so if a killer snuffs out that totem why does the hex not come back or the killer can relight that same totem again to bring back the same hex.

There is a few ways the devs could of went with blessing and hexs but they picked one that doesn't go with how both perks say each one is meant to work, if a survivor finds a hex and destroys it no problem they did what the perk says to do to get rid of it blessing it is pretty much bypassing what needs to be done and if you snuff it out they can just rebless the new dull totem that's where the problem is.

Geez you're counting seconds in this game? I mean... kudos I guess, tryharding is just something I'll never do in DBD.

But back to the subject - how do you counter Ruin? Devour Hope? You cleanse. How do you counter Shadow Step? Same way. And yes yes yes, precious 3 seconds or whatever, but come on, killer kind of has to take some time to do actions as well. And as for competitive playing, I kind of find it hard to believe you're running vs competitive full teams (that reminds me Tru3's rants whenever he's losing it's ALWAYS to 0.3% best survivors in the world) but even if you are, then I think competitively DBD behaves differently than team of noobs just screwing around, like me and my friend are doing. I've seen competitive games, out of curiosity and I think there are other issues than Shadow Step, that's just another thing that might help, but actual full competitive team would win against most of us anyway, Shadow Step or not.

Killers need to be able to break them permanently, and shadow step needs to be heavily reworked or deleted. Simply removing a massive portion of the gameplay is not reasonable. It would be like if tinkerer removed the terror radius at all times.

I don't see an issue with the new boon perks. Its easy to find the totems by their audio, it takes up survivor time when restoring them, and there's so many other things to track surv by other than scratches. If anything i find it creates a 'base' for the survivors, which means if i know where the totem is, I can go there and find any wounded survs I lost... then it's a few blood trails and moans before they're down. I don't even use the boons when i play surv anymore cuz i found myself spending too much time messin with totems and not enough workin the gens. At first the boons showed me how much i relied only on scratches, but now it's just a place where survs can feel overconfident.

Not important?...so are you saying that healing and preventing a chase is not important?...clearly whe arent on the same chanel. They dont need to afect the whole map to be strong, they however show their ridiculous strenght on smaler maps as they cover a lot more of the area, still that doesnt dimish the power they can hold as a tool and an infinite resource. That also brings back the point, hexes are a 1 time thing for the whole map, boons are infinite to be used in ANY totem they can find. Again seems whe arent on the same level of understanding of both things.

Yes, both sides have very strong convinations of perks that can bend rules, still for the most part they have counterplays, the thing is those strong killers are the ones that can bypass the survivors meta builds...this just brings back to the "stronger" killers who can compete with said survivors. What you arent looking at its the way the game works, for the most part high MMR are its dominated by survivors where ONLY a handfull of killers can compete with them, and thats not a coment its a FACT.

When your game has a problem with one side you should adress it, but given that the game has a bigger population on the survivor side its pretyt obvious why the devs are escared to work on them as much as killers, this is a situation of potentially loosing 4/5 ths of your player base verus 1/5, you dont need to be a cientist to know why things work the way the do.

Did i ever mentioned win ratios? not at all. The core problem isnt the rate of wining but the way it happens. I have 0 problem to play a game with all 4 survivors escape IF i have fun chasing them, having a few hooks and why not, even having some silly situations mid game or goof around.

Just as survivors love to complain about camping tuneling or even certain killers just because they dont like them, i dont enjoy having my game become a chore because ALL the information given to me to "try" and find survivors its completly negated thanks to a single perk. Im going to repeat it, i dont care if i have a 4K or a full escape as long as i have fun, but when said boon literally makes it so im just wandering around aimlessly with 0 input to do "something" then we have a problem. Im just going to remind you, survivors complain if they dont have information at hand, if the terror radious its not big enought they complain because the killer sneaks behind them, if they killer has some form of ranged atack they complain if they dont get a sound "clue" of when the killer its preparing their atack so they can dodge, or how about a grunt and so on. Yet its perfectly fine to strip down all the info for killers?, mind telling me exactly how shadow step its balanced? and please, dont try and bring blessing time, unless the four survivors are doing the exact same thing and the blessing takes over 35 seconds its not even a discusion worth bringing to the table

In that you are right, this is not a discussion, this is just me schooling you about a problem in a game where you basically just say "its not op because i belive so all of you complain to much", you havent offered anything remotely relevant to support your claims the boons are perfectly fine as they are, yet here im even bringing numeric data to back up my claims, so i would say this "discussion" if it can be called that its over, i dont se a point in loosing more time trying to explain something to you, you cant or dont want to comprehend or are just to stubborn to accept you dont have a decent argument behind it.

This would be one of the easiest way to make the boons a valuable resource with a tactical aproach, that would also be a tactical aproach for the killer as if they play with hexes they are reducing the area where his might be and have it destroyed to.

An alternative would be to have them have "charges" each boon could be used 4 times per survivor, that would also make them a tactical resource but would still allow them to use them on the same totem if they want.

Mostly an opinion with no arguments behind them to back them up, thats the whole point of a conversation.

Very quick with not much to say, but at the very least now you are "trying" to have an argument.

Whe can agree CoH its a good perk, but ST its a far to strong one. The set up isnt that hard not that demanding unless magically ALL the totems sudendly are on the hardest place to reach of the map, something its in fact harder for the killers, hence some maps have been disabled thanks to the fact killers cant snuff them out at all. The fact they arent global isnt an argument when they can be reapplied over and over and over in 14 seconds, specially without a lack of something to keep them in check, be a limited amount of uses or a cooldown. Finally something to start discussing about, boons SHOULD be limited by a number of uses per trial or a cooldown the moment they are snuffed, that would make for an actual balance and not what they have right now. Another point to argue wich i agree, killers should be able to destroy the totem IF they want, some might run hexes that are reliant on dull totems, that becomes a choice and tactical descicion and not an arbitrary thing put in place. That was mostly a an example of how time works for both sides, then again given you dismised simple math proff of how it worked i simply went on an overblown example wich aparently you didnt picked out, then again ill accept i could have worded it better.

You are right i dont hold absolute superiority on anything, but you didnt gave me a single reason to belive you had any decent argument to back up your claims besides "my opinion". As i mentioned, the one who wasnt even trying to have a discusion was you, only trying to dismiss any argument with "opinions", i will remind you i gave you facts weater you like it or not, you didnt gave any back and just started to feel offended. You arent going to like this but if you dont want people to tink you are stupid dont give them a reason, im going to say it again, you never gave a decent argument againts mine, and as you can se the moment you midly gave some i answered them back, now its up to you if you actually want to have an argument and a discussion to find a middle ground or just feel offended and dodge it.