can we PLEASE bring back the old ds and leave it there

If you were being tunneled for a long time then then let the killer whack you and get the value out of the DS lol. If you've time to heal/repair/mend then you don't need DS tbh. I'm a survivor main and i've only ever used it once and had a fun old time with it lol. My teammates had time to do a gen and i still got away from an annoying killer who was chasing me

honestly i wouldn't mind if the current version of ds has an unlimited timer on it

it'd be funny if a survivor threw by not doing gens for 4 minutes because they wanted to stun me for 5 seconds

God, no. What the nerf did was prevent you from trolling the killer by completing a gen in their face, or DSing them after the killer had an entire chase with someone else because you got unhooked late and they found you on an objective forty seconds later. The perk's anti-tunnel function is still perfectly intact. If you are being tunneled, you can still DS the killer within the one-minute frame the perk has always run on. It's just that 'not being tunneled' is not the same as a one-minute immunity card.

And voila, most survivors stopped using it overnight.

A lot of people hit me with troll DS. And once I decide to actually tunnel them, I bet they wished they had the perk that preventing me from having my way with them. But nah, those deliverance memes, bro!

For me DS still works just fine. Deliverance + DS it is as I can not use BT to protect myself.

If you get "tunnled" for 5 minutes...the question is what happend to your team? Did they just chill at the balcony of Ormont, sipping some drinks while watching your chase? Five minutes is more than enough to finish all generators if no pressure is being applied.

Sure, getting tunnled feels bad. Happens to me too and the worst thing is when a Killer knows what he is doing. However then they are not tunneling you for 5 minutes...its more like: 20 seconds and its over.

Wouldn't missing the skillcheck deactivate ds though?

Only if you try for it and miss if you don't hit anything at all then you can save it for next time.

You can mend with ds btw

Mind showing proof?

The issue isn't that I'm not getting tunnelled I am A LOT. lets say 1/10 games I miss the skill check. 2/10 the killer slugs. 2/10 the killer is nurse/ blight or spirit, high mobility incredibly fast downing speed making the perk have far less value. 1/10 games after I land the DS is screw up or get genuinely outplayed and go down fairly quickly after the stun. Does those numbers seem fair? 6/10 games I do not feel like the killer the is properly punished for tunnelling. This takes up an entire perk slot just to punish a playstyle that is already toxic. I know that tunnelling already punishes the killer by rewarding few points and lets say in most cases your teammates do the objective and 3 escape. All that means is is not only does nobody win as the person who dies get nothing and the people who did the objective won't pip in I believe silver onwards with zero benevolence and zero chase. But I still am miserable even if I help my teamates escape As for the bleedout point, I would make it the perk works by stunning the killer when they hit the survivor and giving the survivor the mettle of man effect.

Test it next time and see that and see what happen;s some survivors will leave to 2nd hook, so if gates are open and the survivors get the other person off the hook they have BT + DS = they escape

I was pretty generous with those numbers to exaggerate my point. At high rank DBD most games if not all involve tunnelling to a certain degree. Ask any experienced killer and they will tell you they need to tunnel to win against top survivors. If killers aren't tunnelling and are still winning in your matches, then you or your teammates are objectively bad. with SBM it has now become so bad D strike is now mandatory. What a lot of killers will do is camp or tunnel one survivor to death and hope they die before the last gen so they only have to pressure 3 people. I sympathise with killer mains, I really do, and I struggle to be motivated to paly killer, however tunnelling, camping and slugging is toxic. It's the same as 4 survivors running 4 speed toolboxes or deliberately letting teammates die simply so the killer gets less points. It is really bad for the game and needs to be discouraged. Just because something is effective or (necessary) does not mean its good. Also slugging somebody of hook is tunnelling, objectively, your dying state is a health bar, the killer is decreasing your health bar while on the ground. that is still targeting them, (tunnelling.) As for your point with BT, yeah I agree if you taunt with BT or d strike then the killer isn't at fault, but I don't really know what to do about that, and that is a separate issue for a different discussion.

No you're right, lets have every match of DBD the killer will slug, tunnel and camp because not toxic right. Except it's miserable experience for all players, not just the one on the hook. Bubba stands in front of the hook all match. Not toxic, and if you get slugged off hook, your own fault for getting hooked, not toxic. Killer focus you out of the match, not toxic. Nurse with infectious fright, slugs the entire match? not toxic. Lets say toxic is the wrong word, more like miserable. Ok, so now Dstrike is mandatory, unbreakable is mandatory, Borrowed time is mandatory. This does not sound like a fun healthy game.

There are exceptions when I can accept camping/ slugging, tunnelling, mainly when the last gen is finished, I say anything goes to escape/ kill. As for COH, they need to make it that the self healing speed caps at 50% healing speed as a starting point.

Also I do give killers the option to switch, to the point that I will often trade myself for my teammates if we need more time finish the gens. I don't care about winning, I care about how I win, and sitting on the hook for 3 minutes while my teammates hold M1 because the killer returns to the hook every 30 seconds does not sound like a fun game.