Revert Deathslinger Nerf

Don't revert it, improve it. Most of what they did was necessary (excluding the TR increase, that one feels suspect to me), but it wasn't handled particularly well.

Make him ADS slightly quicker (without it being the same speed as the old quickscope, I think there's a middle ground that can be found there), make him 115%, and possibly replace the TR increase with a lullaby radius? If not, maybe some more reliable TR addons. After that, Slinger would be in a much better spot.

I think it'd be fine if his lullaby was just the sound of the rattlesnakes right off the very beginning of his terror radius. Besides that I agree with you in everything else. Quick-scope was his unique feature which rewarded you for trying risky shots and received an equal punishment for failing. I'd be fine if they even extended the time it takes to exit ADS because it was absurd how easily you could cancel ADS to go for an M1.

In his current state, Deathslinger really feels hopeless in safe loops and he has very little on his favour. I will never understand the decision behind these changes... he wasn't strong in most situations and large maps were horrible for him. People hated zoning and he is now completely dependant on zoning and bloody sensitivity makes him so insufferable to play as.

People are overreacting about the Deathslinger nerf. I've played him and he is still good, he just takes more skill. The only really impactful change is the terror radius change, and I think they should have given him a lullaby instead, which could be whistling.

That's literally what i said... I missed an 't, but why is my bad, but your reading comprehension is should have covered for that based on everything else in the post.

Why would you assume I'm angry? What context is there to make the assumption of anger?

So, once he hit a certain range, you actually didn't have time to dodge, but even aside from that: You only have the ability to dodge if he fires. If he repeatedly raises his rifle but doesn't fire, you have two options: dodge and weave, thus losing distance and letting him M1 you easier, or run straight, thus making yourself a very easy target for when he does fire.

That's it. That's the reason. It's been talked about to death, I'm not saying anything new here.

Now that they have removed that, though, I wouldn't be against something like a larger hitbox or an improved sensitivity for the ADS.

Seems like a far better fix for Deathslinger is to improve his ADS mechanic, then. Right now his problem isn't that he's too weak, he's in basically the same spot if you play him differently, but rather that he feels far, far too clunky. The rifle takes three years to raise, the turn speed while it's up is super sluggish, he's slow and frustrating...

Make him 115, speed up the ADS raise and turn sensitivity, making a few other tweaks here and there, and he'll feel better to play.

I don’t know how good or bad he is now statistically, but personally I don’t like his turning speed while aiming, it just feels super slow. If they increased his turning speed so you could better aim while moving around corners or adjust for juking, etc, I think his rifle would feel more fun to use, and assuming he actually is underperforming now could help on that front too.

18 meter is not low range. 18 meter diameter is massive. His lethality was among the highest the game. He could shoot, recover with 8 stacks of stbfl and than imminently shoot to knock 2 health states in span of 10 seconds. that's among fastest non-instant downs in the entire game. Pair with this with the fact that he had 16 meter TR with M&A, survivors who did not react in time to his terror radius tune would quickly go down.

His edge at loops IS quickscoping. In fact this is ONLY redeeming quality along with lower TR. It wasn't unfair either, it took skill to land his shots consistently and survivors could have very tricky movement that made it difficult to land his shot. Also his window zoning was not even confirmed hits because of chain durability. Pallet hits were not confirmed either because other killers e.g huntress could throw hatchets in places where survivor is bottleneck such as space between the pallet. He had make reads as his gun has narrow hitbox and in many cases, he had to shoot before survivor got to the pallet such that he prevents survivor from dropping, else he wouldn't get downs.

115% m/s is lazy balancing. he doesn't need it. he just needs revert. its that simple really. you even agree upon it because your literally admit that his ADS is a problem.

Unfair is god pallets in the game, pallets where when pallet dropped, a vast majority of killer have to break it with zero gameplay value. Unfair is holding W where a vast majority of the killers lack the tools to injure a survivor chaining safe tile after tile. that is far more unfair than what quickscope ever was.

The other killers are not reliable. they're more situational. ranged =/ 110%.

reliability and dependency on power affects whether killer needs 115% or 110%. None of killer named have reliable powers. Ironically all of them could be 110% but they'd need remove all their drawbacks. Plague could be ranged 110% if her ability was corrupt puke was only ability and it was permanent etc.

They were part and parcel of the same problem. If Deathslinger had never been able to quickscope, the free zoning he'd have gotten from ADS faking never would've been possible because people would've had time to react to the shot when he did commit to it. As it was, you were stuck in a lose-lose scenario where he'd keep partially raising the gun, and you'd have two choices: Dodge, thus losing distance if he doesn't shoot, or run straight, thus making yourself an easy target for when he does shoot.

They weren't ever fully separate issues, and they both warranted changing.

That’s not quickscope that you described, that’s ads spam which people have agreed is a problem

"Prediction", by which you mean "guessing and getting lucky".

If that's satisfying gameplay for you, then I'm not knocking that for you specifically, but people tend to put a lot of stock into "prediction" as though it's in any way different to or separate from guessing.

The quickscope is what made the ADS spam function. If he could ADS spam but it takes a second before he can fire, then the free zoning and lose/lose situations wouldn't have occurred because survivors would have time to react and dodge when the rifle is raised for more than half a second.

"People have agreed is a problem" isn't super relevant here. People have agreed that the quickscope is a problem too, this argument's been had for a long time.