NOED NEEDS NERFED AND HERE IS WHY.

The biggest issue with NOED, is that it feels very unfair. It gives you kills for free, when often times the killer wasn't even able to get more than 2-3 hooks the entire game prior to that. It's also mostly used by low/mid tier players, which means that all new players will face perks like NOED, or stuff like camping and tunneling a lot, and can easily be discouraged to the point where they just uninstall DBD and never look back, which of course is terrible for the game long term.

I think that killers using NOED, as well as camping hooks and tunneling, are all doing it for the same reason. It helps them get kills that they simply cannot get without it. Let me explain why.

So, I think most can agree, that at very high levels of play, like in top tournaments, killers pretty much have to camp and/or tunnel to stand a chance at winning, right? I feel like the community can agree, that at that point, survivors clearly have the advantage.

Now, think of what happens for the average killer, when they camp, tunnel and/or use NOED. At low/mid level MMR, Tunneling, Camping and NOED is very efficient, it helps the killer get a lot more kills on average than they would get if they avoided that stuff, everyone can agree with that, no? So, if they get a lot more kills because of that perk and those methods, their MMR goes up. What happens if they try play a game without those things suddenly? They most likely get 0 kills, because now they've ranked up and are facing survivors that are much more skilled than them. They are now in a situation similar to top level killers, playing in top tournaments. They basically have no chance of winning, if they don't tunnel, camp, use NOED, etc, because they are facing survivors that are out of their league. Some might argue that that's fine, and everyone can play whatever way they want to, and I don't disagree with that. I do however feel like those types of gameplay should not be the easiest and most efficient ways of winning games, especially not at lower level, where it will for sure drive away new players.

It's not good that new players trying out the game, gets tunneled and face camped every single game of the 5-10 games they play, then decide that the game is crap, uninstall and never look back. It's terrible for the game long term, and personally a few of my friends that I managed to convince to try the game out, had exactly that experience, decided that the game sucks, uninstalled and won't ever play the game again. (I do have a few friends that does play the game too, so not everyone gives up, I get that, but it's not a great first impression of the game).

It would be better for the games health long term, and it's ability to attract new players, if camping and tunneling was nerfed to the point where it's not an efficient way to get kills at low/mid tier anymore. And perks like NOED only adds to that same problem. You can argue all you want that you can run certain perks, cleanse totems, get better at the game etc, but that simply does not apply to newer players at all. They don't have all the perks, they don't know the totem spawns, they're new, and they're not going to want to put in the time and effort to overcome that hurdle. NOED, along with a few other perks on both sides should honestly be nerfed, aswell as camping and tunneling.

I don't see how anyone can argue that NOED giving an unskilled killer "free" kills that they weren't able to get before the endgame, is actually fair. I agree with several other people have suggested in this thread, that NOED should trigger the moment that the 5th gen is finished, so that everyone can see it and it doesn't come as a surprise when the killer gets their first hit on someone after it's activated. It would be more fair, it'd give survivors a little more time to react and search for the totem, while still being a fairly powerful perk in lower tiers.

At higher tiers, you honestly rarely see NOED, the survivors are more experienced and can often deduce that the killer likely has NOED long before it triggers and play accordingly, possibly even clearing all totems before NOED has a chance to activate, they're able to much more quickly find the totem as they have a better idea of where totems spawns, and it's honestly not that great of a perk at that level.

NOED is basically only efficient against newer and/or less skilled players, because they can't cleanse it fast enough, they can't deduce that the killer most likely is running it before it triggers, and they're not skilled enough to get unhooks against a camping killer with NOED, so they either try and fail, or just don't try at all and let the person die on hook. How is this good for the game?

My whole point is that NOED, along with camping and tunneling, is only really efficient against newer/less skilled players. Better survivors can deal with all of that much better, especially in a swf where they can communicate. This has two consequences. The first is that it drives away potentional new players, because no one enjoys spending the whole game on a hook or being tunneled and many won't play long enough to improve to the point where they know how to deal with it. The second thing is that newer/less skilled killers relies too heavily on it, to the point where they're not learning how to become a better killer, but doubles down and gets more and more reliant on camping, tunneling, and perks like NOED to stand a chance to get any kills at all as their MMR goes up and they're facing survivors that are out of their league.

It's not necessarily that hard to get all the Totems and prevent the perk's activation, it does take up time, but if everyone works together to do it, it doesn't take long at all. The problem with NOED is how powerful it is against solo q, as they cannot coordinate if all the Totems are gone yet and don't know whether to pop the last gen or not.

There's three perks, Small Game, Counterforce, and Detective's Hunch that help with Totem finding, the third one likely being the best. I used to hate NOED too until I actually learned how simple it is to prevent, now I prevent it almost every game, and it becomes a much more simple task when I'm in a party, as I can ask them to help me.

I don't mind the perks existence, the only thing I don't like about it is the fact that it's very good against solo q but not so much against full parties. They cannot coordinate how many Totems are broken and thus won't know whether to pop the last gen or not.

NOED on it's own isn't the issue. Solo q is.

I actually wrote a thread on why I think NOED should be basekit, go check it out if you'd like - https://forum.deadbydaylight.com/en/discussion/292356/make-noed-basekit-hear-me-out

Or just expect noed from the start 😉

I always play solo and very rarely noed will be activated, so it's not impossible.

Survivor don't need to be hold hands and tell what is active, there are many other indications when a hex is active but only after interaction.

Ruin: you need to have touched a gen first.

Undying: you need to be in close proximity of a dull totem.

Toth: need to interact with either a dull or a hex totem.

Devour: you need to get hit at a 3 stack minimum.

So why should noed give you an notification without getting hit first? 🤷🏼‍♂️

If you're annoyed, irritated or scared of noed, then just do the secondary objective and all problems are solved.

For noed that is of course 😉

Man said DS is useless LOLOL

Yeah but it is totally useless now.

They can't abuse is by powering through the gens and not to worry about being grabbed of the gen.

They just don't realize it now is more of what it was supposed to be, an anti tunnel perk.

But some survivors really need to have their hands being held to be somewhat decent during the match.

Isn't that basically the artists new perk? Hook everyone once and block gens for 40 seconds.

??? I dont get it.

Did I mention about me hiding in locker or something?