How far does being Petty Go?
This guy had the basement challenge which (I HAD NO IDEA UNTIL END GAME CHAT WHEN HE ADMITTED HE WAS DOING THE TOME CHALLENGE) was to bring us all to the basement and have us die.
But I said no and kept escaping him and running as far away from the basement as I could.
He got so mad and decided to lock me in a corner until I disconnected, I planned to wait him out, see if he'd DC first but I had other things to do that were far more important. I'm posting it here because I'm not sure where to report someone like this because the in-game reporting system does nothing.
I can agree survivors can be pretty rude and unpleasant from times, it's also real frustrating sometimes when you're even doing a challenge that can't get finished because someone decided to screw you over.
But as far as the game goes I wouldn't hold them hostage in a corner because I couldn't complete challenge. In my mind I would, but I wouldn't go as far as to actually do it.
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So you know how the forums have a rule about no naming and shaming? Yeah uh
(also bannable offence, hostage situation, report and make a ticket)
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A) This is technically reportable, I think, being blocked into a corner and not being interacted with to get the noclip.
B) Why do you admit that survivors can be frustrating to deal with, then proceed to do the frustrating things you know are frustrating?
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No
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Oh
The forums have a rule against showing names in a post which could reflect negatively on someone.
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That better?
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I think so, you should've dodged the punishment
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Yes, since no names are showed.
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Damn, I've really wanted to call someone out too...
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Guess he forgot about his challenge while killing the obsession.
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The "frustrating" thing to deal with that I mean is more the sense of:
Making it hard for the killer to complete their challenge, AND being cocky by clicking their flashlights, t-bagging, and acting like they're so much more. Which I can say 100% I did none of those things. I simply ran into a corner far from the hook because I did not want to be anywhere near that basement.
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he's holding you hostage plain and simple which is definitely reportable. of course you need video proof rather than just a screen shot. if you do send it to support(dot)deadbydaylight(dot)com
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You literally admitted in the OP that he had the basement hooks challenge, and that you were actively avoiding giving it to him by running as far away as possible from the basement.
Seriously, my guy?
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Holding you hostage is a reportable offence for sure I think.
However you were also being petty not wanting to be hooked in basement and constantly getting out lol
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I mean I had an active challenge too because I had to leave through the hatch with Alert. For some reason that's a challenge. This is my 10th attempt at it because I either die, or the survivors do not leave through the exit gate and most of the survivors I'm with are console while I'm computer.
But I have not done something like this even if a challenge is involved.
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How is that petty? If I were being petty (in my book) I'd be doing what this killer is doing or what survivors have done to me afterwards if they don't allow me to complete my challenges. T-Bag, Flashlight, Taunt, etc.
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I just thought it was someone doing a basement build like they do on Youtube, the whole "hook in the basement" challenge thing completely slipped my mind. I only remembered that challenge existed after he admitted it in the endgame chat.
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I was even begging him half the time to just hook me anywhere else, he passed 2 hooks just to hook me in the basement. Except I kept escaping his grasp because he hand "Iron Grasp 2" and could only get as far as mind-point in the stairs. I just thought he was committed to the build.
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Hold on.
You assumed he was going for the basement challenge and you tried everything to deny him? Wow.. I mean sure he's an absolute dick for taking you hostage.. but still.. wow..
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Does this count as naming and shaming?
As far as I can see, there's no naming part, point me if I'm wrong..
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Hope this clears it up.
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You're both being dicks in this scenario. You for intentionally denying a challenge when you've lost the game, and him for bodyblocking you into a corner out of rage.
What he's doing is reportable, but there may have been a method to his madness - he might have been hoping that you would go afk so that he could carry you into the basement? He was probably just pissed though. Report him and hope BHVR actually does something.
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What I assumed is that he was doing a basement build, like on youtube:
trapper basement build - YouTube
You know these.
Because of how annoying they can be, and sometimes how often survivors can fall for them.
I DID NOT KNOW that he was doing a challenge that involved hooking survivors in the basement.
I completely forgot that was even a challenge on the new tome.
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Btw look at the comment above this one it explains that I HAD NO IDEA that he was doing the Tome Challenge. I thought I just ran into someone doing the annoying kind of meme builds like a basement Bubba for example. Had I known he was doing the challenge (and had my team mates not killed themselves on first basement hook,) I probably would have thrown him a bone.
Also no he didn't hope I would go AFK. Because I did go afk for a about 10 or so minutes. Checking to see if he'd done anything, and he was still there holding me. I was injured, he could have ended the game at any time but seeing as I had other important things to do and not waste my life over a game, I just wanted to leave.
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You realize that you're just forcing the killer to continue playing like a dick to more teams when you do those kind of spite plays? Your game still sucked and now at least four other people have to go through that, too.
I didn't enjoy doing Evil Incarnate at all, I hate that playstyle, but I would have had to play way more unfun games if the Claire at the end wasn't a good sport and signaled me over to where she was instead of DCing or idling in a locker. There is zero point in begrudging people for trying to get 100% rift or achievement completionism. Don't hate the player, hate the system for telling people to do it.
Survivors don't owe the killer challenges, but when you DC when the killer has already completed the terms of the challenge because you're that spiteful - that's just subverting the entire challenge system to be nasty. It's also against the rules.
That's fair - the guy was just a douche then. Or immature, if I'm generous. And he was also an idiot for not taking advantage of an actual opportunity to do his challenge. But still... even if I couldn't remember what rifts or achievements existed, I'm still wasting time if I'm demanding the killer not hook me in a specific location. There's no point to fighting it unless you were using those runs away from the basement to look for the hatch. If you were doing that - that's perfectly legit and taking advantage of the killer's weird behavior to try and win the game. If you were just running away from the basement because you objected to dying there for no especial reason, you weren't that much different than what he was doing - killing time out of spite. Just in a less objectionable way than genuinely holding the game hostage like this guy did. (He had the opportunity to end the game and you didn't, which is where the crucial difference lies.)
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Edit - delete this; the post I was replying to no longer exists.
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Were you actually blocked in the corner? Judging from the screenshot alone that looks like one of those L walls you can just walk around. If that's the case I wouldn't say it's trapping someone in a corner and more a stalemate of him wanting you to leave and you not wanting to.
Again, only based on the screenshot, can't see very well what's happening and a video would be better.
Edit: Looking at it more I can see it being one of those posts just being far out. Everything else has been said really.
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Maybe you're the dick here. If you're team was done for and you kept being spiteful and petty to deny him his challenge then I can't sympathize with you.
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Like, the second or third time he specifically wanted to take you to the basement when the rest of your team was dead, and you clearly weren't going to get hatch, it should've been clear there was some reason why he wanted to specifically go all the way over there.
Not that breaking the rules was an acceptable reaction, but at that point you've lost, you might as well just let them do what they want. There's bound to be a reason for it (people who wiggle free when I just want to cart them over to the hatch could learn the same, too; if I wanted to hook you, there's a hook right there)
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I was so stuck I couldn't even drop the empty flashlight as a peace offering.
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That bums me out. I always love to drop items as a peace offering. May your next games go well my friend.
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Again, the people I go against either are: A. Doing Challenges. B. Playing the game just better than me (which I can admit if that happens without hesitation). Or C. Being an #########.
I thought this guy was "C", but he was doing "A" and I had 0 ideas that was what he was trying to do. I was so focused on getting the gens done so the players can leave or they all die from the rage quitting fest they had. He let the obsession bleed out on the floor, but me he was trying so hard to put in the basement.
If I was a dick, I would have T-Bagged, Clicked my flashlight, and acted like the cliche jerk survivor. But I don't do that unless it's towards people that deserve it. (Ex: A Ghostface T-Bagging me on my first down (like I am the first down), a killer with a major hard on he focuses on me alone and nobody else (happened before many times), a tunneler at 4-5 gens (I can accept it if it's 2-31/2 gens and nobody is dead), an insidious camping that is breathing in my hook wound, etc). Because I hate going up against that, and I don't see a point to it. If anyone I will t-bag and click at it's survivors that do it towards the killer or a blinded Zombie.
But the only THING I actually did that was "dickish" is foil his plan before he locked me in the corner. Which was to force me to escape his grasp into a trap at killer shack pallet so I can get closer to the basement which was at the pub. But as soon as I escaped I used the no collision to move to the other side of the pallet, where I dropped it on his head and he got trapped in his own trap.
(Afterwords when that happened I started to feel bad for him and just blatantly said to my computer screen "just let me have the hatch or kill me somewhere else, it's not worth it. Please." Had he kept trying I might have started to feel so bad I would have just accepted the loss and seal my fate (which would piss me off because of MY challenge but clearly I couldn't see that being completed in this trial). Nope, he decided to lock me in the corner.)
I just thought this guy was seriously desperate to make the build work and had I known he was doing the challenge I probably would have let him hook me once and never again, as long as the survivors I were with wouldn't leave me or kill themselves on the hook. Which they did.
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Thank you. You as well.
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Have you heard the term "disproportionate retribution"?
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There were 5-6 different hooks we passed by each time I escaped. (Sort of exaggereated, I really counted 2 that I remember clearly and those ones I was even begging "let me die here".) But he was hellbent on the basement and I just thought he was doing it so that he wouldn't feel like he put the build to waste.
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Talking to me or this guy, because no I have not heard about that term. Care to elaborate?
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Basically, you kick me in the ankle so I stab you in the stomach.
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So, in other words: I do one thing that pisses you off (small or something not that major), and then you respond with an exaggerated "world ending" type reaction towards my action.
Sound about right?
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Essentially.
In this case, one was, intentionally or no, dickish. The other was actually rulebreaking.
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Not letting the killer kill you should not be grounds to get literally blocked in a corner and forced to DC. Would it be nice if the survivor let him? Sure. But they don't have to and him not letting the killer do it isn't justification for the killer doing a literal bannable thing in anger.
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Report him. That's textbook 'holding the game hostage'.
That said - it wasn't obvious that he was doing the archive challenge?
This strikes me as a 'nobody was in the right' situation.
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But there were certainly people more wrong.
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Sure.
But...I honestly understand.
A while back I had a number of really, really nasty games back to back. I was trying to do that bloody 'down survivors with Main Event' thing - and I hate playing Trickster.
Everything, from a lag switcher slowing me to permanent 'carry speed' and taking the game hostage, followed by a pair of survivors that played hide and seek for almost an hour because they gave me a 3gen, several other very obnoxious groups and capped off with a Russian TTV premade that refused to complete the final gen and just memed on me for 30 minutes with sabos, boons and flashlights - and when I finally went AFK, they told me they were reporting me for 'non participation'.
I ended up taking a week's hiatus from the game. If I'd kept playing, the next time I ran into a BM group - yeah, I can only imagine what I might have done if the chance had arisen.
It's not a good thing, but 'tit for tat' is one of the most powerful human instincts. The technical term is 'reciprocity'.
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As stated before. I truly didn't know he was doing the archive. Other archives existing (except the one I was doing) slipped my mind.
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Fair enough - but in future, when you see a killer doing this, he's probably doing his archive (much as if I see a survivor running only their base perks, I'll assume they are doing their Adept and ease up).
He shouldn't have walled you in either. That was an overreaction.
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Sure. But if you're going to tit some tats, it's best to make sure your level of retribution is fairly equal.
In most of those cases, people were actually cheating and breaking the rules. Lag switching, hostage holding, false reporting, you name it. Let 'em bleed out. Let 'em take a break in the corner, I don't really care.
Being obnoxious and douchey isn't quite that, though. Neither is someone not giving you your challenge. Meme on them, talk trash, smack on hook and headnod, no problem-- but holding them hostage is less the eye for your eye and more the finger for your nail.
It's why you can't just pull out a gun when someone starts a fistfight.
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Yes, I agree completely. He totally overreacted and should likely get a temp ban for doing that (I cannot stand griefers).
I'm just saying - yeah, killers get really annoyed sometimes, especially when they get an infuriating archive challenge (this one had a few of these).
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Man-- at least it's not finishing 4 gens with Dark Sense.
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Oh yeah, I noped out of a few survivor challenges this time.
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It's so funny to see people bend over backwards to defend this killer. But not at all surprising.
I avoid the basement like the plague. That's just a rule of mine. But ESPECIALLY against a trap based killer. Whether or not you need to complete a challenge is none of my concern. Sorry, looks like you'll have to try again in another game. If you want to keep trying to bring me into the basement even though you clearly cannot, feel free because I'll be getting more boldness and survival points as well as XP for surviving in the match longer.
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