Legion is not *that* weak

I would honestly agree if it weren't for Circle of Healing (which shouldn't even be a perk to begin with).

He’s pretty terrible, but I think ghostface is worse.

That's a fair point, but at the same time, if you're going against survivors that are able to consistently loop M1 killers, Legion will be ran by them for more of the duration the other survivors mend and heal with CoH, and then they can do a gen while you pick up the surv, carry them to a hook, hook them, etc. Due to the inconsistency of their power being incredibly map-reliant and easily countered by splitting up, if you have happened to only injure one survivor, there will be 2 other survivors doing gens, one of them getting chased, and the other mending and healing on a CoH totem. Even if you injure 2 survivors, those two would probably heal each other up with the CoH bonus, and then immediately do a gen while the other guy is doing a gen.

Outside of CoH I do believe Legion is a lot stronger than given credit for, having built-in game slowdown and guaranteed first hits, as well as somewhat of an instadowning ability. However, I believe they would still be bottom 5 even without CoH due to being reliant on balanced maps as well as not having anything to help them down survivors while injured, but CoH really seems to have affected them.

You are correct that not having anything to help get downs is Legion's main weakness... But anyone playing Legion should know that and bring perks to help with that. If you don't... Well... What are you doing?

Also, Frenzy is not what I would call a map dependant power. It is instead dependent on the Survivors positioning. The map can influence that, but I've had Survivors group up against my Legion on Mother's Dwelling. No idea why, but they did.

Also, for me personally, Legion works just as well as before CoH came out. The only difference is that Thana isn't in my builds anymore.

No that is not true at all. Legion is not weak because he cannot get more than 1 hit with Frenzy, or of the fatigue or anything else. Legion is so weak cuz he has no ability to down survivors, this is the most important aspect of any Killer... to down and therefore end chases quickly.

You can slow down and injure as many survivors as you want, it will mean nothing if you cannot down and hook them.

Legion needs something like a second ability OR frenzy should be able to down somehow survivors.

You'd have made a better case if you wouldn't have mentioned Trapper. You've got a point with Myers, but Trapper actually takes some knowledge.

I look forward to his rework, the camera will probably be locked into place during frenzy and control like a tugboat.

And yet there are so many Legion players who misjudge their distance causing them to fatigue in front of healthy survivors , who don't utilize their information gathering at all and just go to the nearest red blimp and who never use their power again once everybody is injured even when they are chasing in the strongest unmindgame-able structures of the map.

I agree that Legion is among the easier killers to learn

I disagree with the notion that there is nothing to learn.

A Legion who plays their first match is not going to play the same as a Legion's 1000th match who bothered to put the effort to learn them. Regardless of how many m1-killers they played before

If that’s Scott Jund, I’m Queen Elizabeth. Even if the real Scott posted it probably be pretty something stupid still.

Also regarding the OPs statement, I actually agree that they aren’t the WORST and I would put them above Clown, Trickster, and even Plague. But ofc I wouldn’t say they’re stronger than Blight, Ghost face, or maybe even Death Slinger.

I said Plague is worse than Legion and that Ghost face and death slinger are better than Legion. Re-read. But anyways Plague is a bad killer yes, and Death slinger and Ghost face while also not the best are good.

Think about it this way.

Which of the following sounds better for the Killer?

1. Someone spending 12 seconds to mend then they just hop on gens again while injured.
2. Someone spending 28 seconds to fully heal before getting on generators, but you can just injure them again in about 5 seconds flat regardless of where you find them again.

It's #2. #2 is better for the killer. #2 gives the killer more time to put some other survivor in the dirt and on a hook. Sure, a theoretical #3 where someone spends 44 seconds to fully recover is even better but that just didn't happen most of the time. On the other hand, that 16 second heal from CoH looks good enough to do it against Legion even though it isn't. Hell, a lot of people on here have claimed that holding a 3 gen against Survivors armed with CoH is impossible... but the thing is, I've done it as Legion. How? Simply because they actually can injure fast enough to make CoH's ridiculous healing efficiency not matter.

Yeah... here's the thing. 80% of the time Survivors just would never heal against Legion before CoH came out. The only time you're going to get that 40 second delay is if you've stacked your perk loadout with obvious perks that heavily punish staying injured. I'm talking something nutty like my old main Legion build with Thanatophobia, Trail of Torment, and Monitor and Abuse. With that build? Yeah I could pretty reliably convince Survivors to heal or punish them if they didn't... so much so that my 4th perk in that loadout was Nurse's Calling and it was 100% worth running that.

How many Legion players are going all in on getting Survivors to heal in spite of it being a terrible idea? I don't know exactly because I don't end up against Legion all that often, but I'm going to go out on a short limb and say very few do that.

To be honest, I would argue that Legion handles CoH better than the majority of killers. The only ones who handle it better are insta down killers who don't let survivors hold W after the first hit or hyper mobility killers who can catch up so fast to someone holding W that it doesn't matter much.

You must be baiting, nobody actually thinks Plague is anywhere near bad. You CAN make a case for average, but most would disagree.

My theory is either you've never played Plague or are like all the people that are saying Artist sucks right now: You're very bad with her.

You may also be ignorant of her qualities. I'll name some:

-You start with one pool of red puke by default, which means whether they cleanse or not you have the potential to sweep if they're all sick in one wave.

-Addons allow you to have 3 red pukes by default.

-Have a free NOED on everyone which means unless they cleanse they can't safely unhook and can be easily intercepted for a swift snowball. Legion cannot do this as they can just heal and go save without consequence.

-As mentioned by someone else, No stun, no crappy cooldown, far superior tracking, downing power with insta-down in the open and red puke anywhere else, nullifies a wide range of perks and items.

In what possible universe is Plague worse than Legion? Plague is better than probably 3/4 of the roster right now. I personally think you're baiting but I'm sure some naive people will believe it, so my time probably isn't entirely wasted.

yes, 6.0 or close would be great.

I’m assuming your mmr is either EXTREMELY low or your trolling like the other guy. I’m leaning towards the Latter because the mental gymnastics you were performing in these “points” made 0 sense. I’ll address them quickly then move on from this thread.

-Starting off with a red pool isn’t a game changer. It’s a gamble if you will even get value out of it depending on its spawn and if you get stunned, your done.

-So you are trying to say Add ons are needed to make this killer good????? Lmao yikes. Shot yourself in the foot on this one.

-You don’t get a free NOED. That isn’t NOED. As I’ve stated previously tho the reading comprehension skills may be lacking, the survivors can cleanse away from the hooked survivor and exit gates forcing her to either walk across the map or camp while the other survs get the save and leave with more than likely a 4 man. Another horrendous point.

-What tracking? She has 0 tracking. Legion does circles around her tracking wise. The only tracking she has is an IRI add on. Not to mention she has NO map mobility what-so-ever unlike Legion. She doesn’t “nullify” anything. The mental gymnastics you are performing are getting even worse.

In what possible universe is Plague better than Legion? She’s a D tier killer at BEST. As I said I’m pretty sure your trolling but I wanted to address just in case any naive people actually think you were in any way correct. I’d suggest raising your mmr and gaining more game knowledge. Moving on.

Being injured is not that scary against legion.