DO NOT REMOVE THE UNLOCKABLE MASKS
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i hate that this is happening but this just the community reaping what its sewing. I will say however, throwing a stink about them was the wrong move because its clear the people who did just wanted attention.
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They are removing equal numbers of white and nonwhite faces, are they not?
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i would ask the same question to the people that feel "harassed" with a killer in a game that try to "virtually" harass you. Its like how low have we reached? And how frail people have become?
In any case a proper report system its the righ choice. But hey that extra work for Behaviour.. so they just remove the maks that almost no body use.
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i don't understand why they are going to take off all the masks instead of just the problematic one, they could make more bubba masks too
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If bubba were black, would it matter if he wore white faces? Just a question. I don’t give a ######### about any of this. I knew it was going to be problematic from the first time I saw it.
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Just remove Claudette then. She camouflages with darkness itself. Which in itself is “racist”. 🤣
I’ve seen racist Deathslingers that tunnel the minority characters. Nodding and following Kates or Harrington. Letting them pip/escape. The slinger will use the Dusty Noose too. 🤷🏽♂️
People always find ways to offend. The thing is I would never be offended because of a mask cosmetic in a video game. It isn’t even Blackface. The whole world is being censored. 😭
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what... the #########?
kate + steve aren't minorities, either?
and, like, it is blackface, literally is, because his skin tone under the mask is genuinely darker than normal. people have gone into the files and seen.
the whole world is being censored
it's a ######### cosmetic in a video game, get over yourself.
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Yes. While I have to research if erm- Whiteface is a thing: if bubba was black, wore white faces, and players started targeting only white people, it would still be wrong.
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Because removing just the SmartFace would be the literal definition of racism (discrimination, or being treated differently, based on the colour of skin).
Removing them all is the right call, as it gives the SmartFace mask the same treatment as the LeaderFace, AthleteFace & SurvivorFace masks.
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Well they look “White” so they’re avoided. He will be friendly towards them.
I’ve seen it a couple of times fighting Slinger. When he was friendly and hostile based on my survivor. It’s not very common. Said slinger will always pick Noose. Then targets any Taps, Clauddys, Adams, Jakes, etc. Sparing King, Kate, Steve, etc. It’s a wild sight to see. To say the least.
If people think DBD is racist they never played CoD where N-Bomb is every lobby.😂
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when your argument involves you comparing something to an old COD lobby your argument has failed. going "this isn't racist because this is more racist" doesn't stop it from being racist.
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Sorry BHVR, but no room for hypocritical pandering.
These players were also using DBD as their vehicle to express racism and harass people, therefore the only socially responsible move is to shutdown this whole #########-show of a game as a whole so it can never be used that way again..
DO YOU EVEN CARE ABOUT STOPPING RACISM AT ALL, BHVR!?
NO HALF MEASURES!
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I wonder how some people will rationalize their victim complex the next time they get camped in a video game.
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So basically BHVR, you're telling racist trolls that if they bother enough important people with racist stuff they'll do no matter the cosmetic or killer, and probably find ways to make other cosmetics seem racist, you'll notice them and take action. This is a troll's dream. What cosmetic can they possibly get booted off next just for the sake of it and to annoy as many people as possible?
OP's right, this was not the way to go. BAN these racists. Stop taking away stuff from people who enjoy the content they've earned. You're punishing the whole class because two idiots are bothering your favourites (verified/streamers). They'll just find another way to be racist. It's really not that hard to do online.
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ok then thx for the explanation
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If shutting down DBD prevents even one act of perceived racism, we've got the moral imperative to make that happen.
LETS DO IT TEAM!
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I don't see how people think this would magically fix racism. Like someone's going to go "oh no the mask's gone, now I can't do the exact same behaviour towards the exact same streamers!"
All this does is punish thousands of players who put in a lot of work to unlock the only gameplay-unlocked cosmetics in the game, alongside the literal handful of people who supposedly used them with bad intent.
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It doesn't "fix" racism but it removes a tool for racist attacks and sends a signal that racism isn't tolerated.
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I love when "sending a sign" to like 2 people punishes literally thousands for their work and effort.
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I was asking because it wasn't like someone pointed "they told me in the End Game Chat" or in the steam chat so seemed kind of fishy. I am not saying issues doesn't exist but if there's something like this happening, it is clearly shown by the haters and I've seen comments like "D'uh,he was chasing me the whole time" so yes, you can have a bad experience happening to you but there's a difference on an actual thing happening and I believe this happended.
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Uhmm, actually no it doesn't. Smart face is not a "tool", it's just a mask, they can be racist with any character or stuff. A mask removal is not removing a tool, this is only to appeal to those who believes in changing the world with the keyboards when the world out there is set on fire.
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It makes it harder to be openly racist, which is important to those kinds of people. They want you to feel their hate. Without the mask they need to use chat or racist user names for example which makes it much easier to ban them quickly.
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Oh, because people are openly racist with this?
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How could you even be racist in this game outside the chat and maybe your username and even then the chat is heavily censored
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Y'all are trying really your hardest to try and cancel BHVR here lmao, we all can agree that DBD has it's bug/glitch infestations but do you honestly believe they're even going to read most of these responses? They won't my friends and sharing a few perceptions on how racism is that inherently bad is something we can also all agree on, if you've ever been to any satirical website such as 4chan, kiwi farms or any other platform that has the most notorious people known for being racist, offensive, demeaning or possessing any kind of malevolent intention with how they speak; what will you do by then? How can we actually stop people from partaking in such offensive stances on the internet if you can't escape from it at all? The only thing we can do is set guidelines such as how this forum has them, any community platform can have rules but that doesn't stop others from trolling altogether, so the ultimate question still resides.
What can you actually do against trolls when it comes to partaking in any online community? Because whining and complaining so much about how offensive, intrepid and demeaning someone can be doesn't do much to resolve the issue; all we're doing is just bickering with one another.
EDIT: No need to give that many amounts of replies, I'm sure everyone is entitled to their own opinion; the only thing we can do is hope something happens for the rest who have shared their thoughts.
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I mean, this is a forum and anyone can express their opinion regardless of if they're going to be heard.
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Remove bubba because whiteface is also racist
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It's called double standards and these same people wouldn't care it would still be racist tho
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Exactly. It’s all stupid. Claudette herself is racism incarcerate. Because there’s a racist idea that when dark skinned people go anywhere in which there is less light they’re “invisible” Or you only see the teeth... Soo I guess we brighten Claudette, or remove her. *Eyeroll*
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It's been done. Get over it. Racist people will continue to be racist with it if it stays in the game. Use a different cosmetic and move on
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There really weren't many. I have never seen a single one. Sure they are out there probably but not enough to warrant this.
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It wasn't needed since there aren't many of these people out there anyways. Yes 100% there are some but not many. But no matter how many there are that doesn't mean removing them is the right option. The right option is to ban people for this crap. The problem is these people probably make them money so they won't.
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They'll still do the same exact thing they are doing just without the cosmetics. It really doesn't change anything.
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Well they'll probably just use the blood cosmetic for his face which is pretty dark. They'll come up with something. And if that did happen, what are they gonna take that away to? Maybe they'll just play Wraith and do it. It does not change much at all.
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Yes exactly. It's a problem of them not punishing the people being the #########. They just don't do it. I mean I'm sure you've seen the while cheater thing. They just don't ban people but if they actually tried then I bet we wouldn't have this. Instead it would be the people getting banned like they should.
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Just because you didn't personally experience it doesn't mean it wasn't a big enough problem that needed to be addressed.
If the artist of the masks feels like it was a big enough problem that he's happy to have his artwork removed from the game then I'm going to agree with him that it's the right move.
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There's nothing racist about a fictional character wearing the face of other fictional characters and chasing after those fictional characters in a fictional world.
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With all due respect, please don’t try to make Wraith being black a problem. Someone already tried this before, Wraith is black, Bubba isn’t.
Anyways, maybe it doesn’t change for you, but this is important to people who are affected by this. No one wants to boot up their game and get griefed by Smartface Bubba just because they’re black.
I know people will do what they want, regardless of what’s done. I’ll always agree that there should be a better report system, so a removal like this doesn’t happen again. But we all know BHVR.
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I must dip My spoon to this mess too. So you are going to give 6000 shards to compensate this loss YAY! Well how about The fact that many players did put hours after hours to collect these things and they get same 6000 shards what player who player Bubba only once gets. That's a ######### shame from you devs, you guys ######### this up big time.
To really Make this equally right is to give 6000 shards to each mask, If you have all 4 masks earned by playing hundreds of matches as Bubba and spending several hours playing him, congrats, you earned 24 000 shards.
If you have only few games played as Bubba and have 0 collectible masks unlocked, you get nothing because why would you get something for thing you haven't done?
And before anyone comes to say that they don't know do you have these masks unlocked and that's why they give same shards to everyone. Well how about that people who did spent hours to unlock these makes a ticket and proves by sending screenshot that they really have these masks unlocked can get 6000 per mask.
I personally and everyone WHO unlocked these deserve better reward to lose these masks than getting same ######### as this kid who played Bubba once.
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The fact that people are so upset about a free cosmetic that was abused getting removed is laughable, but the fact that y'all continue to equate hate behavior to teabagging and flashlights is just disgusting.
Get over it. Bubba has 2 more cosmetics besides default you can use to sit in the basement with.
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Not a free cosmetic: four free cosmetics (which came with a paid character and were unlocked after much effort and a crapton of matches), three of which were not used to harass players.
"the fact that y'all continue to equate hate behavior to teabagging and flashlights is just disgusting."
The average person is bad at crafting a good argument. They're upset and they want to say something now, not realizing how much it hurts their position. There are good arguments to be made against BHVR's course of action.
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First, this doesn't remove the fact that racism is going to keep going in-game, even if you don't know it. Second, the masks are free within the character, the two cosmetics needs to be paid apart and don't ever speak about prizes because what's cheap for you, it's not for others. Third, the mask removal doesn't affect the fact that I've described in the first point, ergo, it's useless. Fourth talking about the masks and the other cosmetics, it's not the same, it's like you tell me they're removing the skin where you can see Nurse's face for whatever reason and you tell me "oh, but there are other skins".
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Like if people don't get griefed for playing Steve. Right? People need to grow up, if someone griefs them in-game for whatever the reason, like a t-bag well then it's their choice to do so. This game is full of camper, tunnelers but you get angry because the reason was "you played Claudette"? It's silly.
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It's genuinely embarrassing, and quite frankly vile, how some of you would rather have four cosmetics in a game than support their removal and those who have been harmed by their presence.
I do not understand anyone who would actively choose not to support those impacted by the Leatherface masks and the hateful behaviour that they incited. Why would you choose to argue against a decision that helps make Dead by Daylight a safer and more comfortable place to be?
They're literally cosmetics in a game. They needed to go. Get over it.
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Because actually, it doesn't help in the bare minimun to the topic at hand... Also, feel safe? It's a game where some random person murder four others. For God's sake. The mask hasn't harmed anyone, players did and those players will continue to harass people of color whether they're vocal about it or not. And my last point, this is internet, the place where no one takes things seriously. I am gay but if a survivor ask me why I tunneled him I can simply say "you used the gay flag charm", because I am planning to get on his nerves. How can you claim that everyone who tunneled a Claudette/Adam/David did it for hateful reasons? "D'uh, he said so" so... this is intenet I can say whatever I want, if you take me seriously when you shouldn't, well, that's your problem not mine.
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Instead of removing the cosmetics, they should:
- Fix their garbage reporting system so these clowns would actually get banned
- Implement a detection system so that people using slurs will get either chat banned or banned from the game. Other games have this, why can't DbD have it too?
- Add an option to remove in game chat unless toggled back on, and don't allow people to be able to talk in game chat for 24 hours if constantly being toggled on/off
Looks like another knee jerk response by BHVR instead of actually taking a minute to think of ways to permanently curb the issues.
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You PAID for the character. The FREE masks were a bonus and nod to the OG four survivors. You were not ENTITLED to those cosmetics. You didn't pay for them.
There are 2 other cosmetics you can use. Don't want to buy them? Cool, neither do I. Neither of those cosmetics can be used for blatant hate behavior.
Removing the mask forces the same people who think it's funny to be blatantly racist to do so either in post-game chat, streams, or in their changeable steam usernames, which is easier to prove when reporting, and therefore will make it easier to ban them.
No other cosmetic is being used for clear racist behavior in game.
I'm just blown away by the fact that y'all want to out yourselves over a free cosmetic. Lmao imagine.
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Eh, about everything in this game is toxic. But sometimes things go too far. I think as a company they are doing what is expected of them, and I have to say as long as they refund players or give something equal or better in return. it is a fair trade. most game companies are pressured to do this or get cancelled by gamers. It is just a fact of 2022.
I mean if it keeps the game going. It has to be done. regardless. I see why they are doing it.
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Theres no stopping it, ofc.
I don't agree, because its more often people are targeted for playing black characters or for using the lgbt flag. It was a few kids who've ruined a very unique trait for a killer and you know theyre happy.
I still don't get it, unless they now remove everything else people are targeted for. We see how this is going to fix nothing right???
Those same people are going to switch targets, so will we see just all the characters removed and turned into grey blocks? "
imma stop, because this whole situation has my mind up in flames.
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I yet have to see racist comments, more than the "you were a Claudette LMAO" but something like "You ######### #########"... otherwise it's not enough to prove evidence of racism.
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