Unfun killer tactics are way too effective for little effort

ALL effective tactics in this game are boring. Camping/tunneling/gen slamming/W/prethrow pallets. All effective stuff in this game is extremely boring because all of them minimize interactions with the other side and basically just remove them from the equation.

-edit for spelling error.

Pretty much. Before the hatch change it was bomb 4 gens and get everyone out with a key leaving the killer feeling silly. Now it's put up a boon totem in the corner of the map or on the top floor of a building and celebrate if the killer doesn't work around free infinite medkits.

Honestly, I wouldn't mind if DS got a bit of a buff. I made a suggestion to buff and rework Boil Over so it is also an anti tunnel perk. The changes to how hatch spawns was completely unnecessary... Keys were broken, not hatch.

Hatch standoffs haven't been a thing in literal years. Nobody wants those back.

Hey, Sluzzy, what is your favorite killer and survivor?

Her discussions + nurse main = irony

If tunneling and camping aren't allowed then average kills will fall to under 1 average per game. Fix the balance and then consider fixing underlying issues like that. Wanting it removed now is just requesting god mode for survivors.

It's because they want to have their cake and eat it too.

I love the killers who play this way and then claim "Nice genrush". No buddy you just think that the match should go exactly how you predict it in your head. For everyone to go down easily and you get to camp/tunnel/slug them AND get a 4k at the end.

Just had a Ghostface who had the audacity to say he will keep camping and tunneling after he did that to me, to which I replied that he shouldn't be surprised that BT and DS will remain meta, to which he said he did not care.

At this point many of the things that people get annoyed by swf, seem incidental when you consider the scope in which these playstyles are being used. We are literally required to bring a perk or perk (s) to half-way counter their "tactics" that are available to them 100% of the time. Meanwhile they run their most meta slow-down builds, and still complain.

Let that sink in.

Doesn't mean there is no drawback. If there isn't one single drawback where is the balance?

Like, imagine if survivors could always fast vault windows... Oh wait! there was a time that was a thing and it got changed. Because even though in reality they are meant to run loops, there are still checks and balances.

As someone who has played mostly killer for the ~600 hours that I have played: I hate these kinds of tactics. As said, they are incredibly boring. This is why I don't use them, but I'm not going to lie, after getting taunted an entire game, being forced to mute my game cause of clicks and notifications and not being able to punish peoples mistakes when everybody is running DH ... I sometimes really, really want to. But I don't. I just turn off the game for the day, often longer.

And that's where we stand right now in the game: The people that don't like using cheap tactics, either stop playing or eventually give in. This is why survivor queues are so damn long and people seem to meet so many toxic killers. There aren't many killer players who genuinely enjoy this type of game. Most just feel like this is the only way to get anything done.

Playing in a fun way needs to be rewarding. And that just isn't the case, if the other side is using every possible thing in the game, no matter how abusive and frustrating it is, to get as many kills / escapes as possible. Play fair, get fair opponents. It's an arms race. Reminds me of the old COD times. In MW2 everybody used the UMP. In MW3 everybody used akimbo FMG's. Why? Because you needed to be very, very good to stand a chance without those. Same thing is happening here. And as you have zero control who you play against, or if specific rulesets are used, those who don't want to use certain tactics are caught in the Crossfire.

This game is ######### hard to balance properly, since you need to balance for Pro-SWF's at the same time as new solo-survivors. Sadly many players are willing to use these balancing problems to their advantage. Changing that is almost as much on the players, as it is on the devs.

Edit - Just to add: When I play Survivor, I often enough feel the same. When a killer uses frustrating tactics, when they clearly wouldn't need to do so, it's incredibly demotivating. This is a two way street.

To be fair, I'd probably think the game is pretty easy and killer sided if I was such a god nurse like sluzzy is.

Survivors have been nerfed??

SWF is the definition of OP. Just because some people mess about doesn’t change that. I can mess about on Nurse but she’ll still be the strongest killer in the game no matter how badly I do with her.

This is just a bunch of false statements

"Oh can't believe i agree to all his points" y'all dummies i swear

Wow, this is pretty decent.

First of all there should be a balanced 50/50 chance of outcome for any match that is played. However that should not come from "camping" as a "valid tactic" but rather be a base design around the more fun parts of the game: Chasing, hit-and-run, cool use of powers and so on.

The problem is that camping and tunneling is a low risk, high reward option. Same as when survivors pre-drop and hold shift+w. These options are boring because you rarely see their risk and thus write them down as unfair and yes, they are not good. Neither "shift+w" nor camping the first person to death adds to the game.

I also agree that the Entity feeds on despair and no longer wants to play with the hopeless. She is a malicious things and wants to torture the survivors. As such I never had a problem with "second chance" perks for survivors. I only have a problem when they abuse a "second chance perk" for something else (body-blocking with BT, often while complaining about tunneling when they then get slugged for this).

Decisive Strike was not overnerfed per se. The problem back than was that the game was unable to detect when a survivor was no longer tunneled and survivor were still able to use this perk for offensive purposes (abusing second chance perks, remember) like unhooking or finishing a generator in the Killers face. The question here is: How is it tunneling when you can run to an unhook?

I am fine with your idea for Decisive Strike. Let the Killer hit a fatigue like Legion or Nurse when you blow them with that shard of glass, I am also fine with no scratches, however keep the blood. There should be a difference between DS and Lucky Break. I would even go so fare to remove the time limit if we keep the limitation (no unhooking) and add another mechanic: Once another survivor is hooked your DS deactivates like when the time ran out.

For pure camping we need a different option and a more dual aproache: Punish Killers who camp while at the same time reward Killers who go hunting with somebody on the hook. This is the reason I like "BBQ & Chilly" as well a "Hex: Devour Hope" as both encourage this. Just slowing the hook timer would not do this justice as the person on the hook is still getting the short end of the stick.

Also you are right: The game can not be balanced around 4 people playing SWF on discord. There are too many greys like 2-1-1, 3-1, 2-2 lobbies. Most time I encounter 2-1-1, 3-1 lobbies and thus balancing around the rare 4 stack is just...unwise.