If Camping is not Intended, why are Hook Grabs still a thing?

Except it doesn't halt the game. Part of the game, as survivor, is being on a hook, and possibly dying. Whether you go through the hook states all at once or in separate parts, the timer still moves, nothing is halted.

Yes. Yes it is

All 3 are nonsense terms made by people who want to blame their loss on their opponents somehow playing "unfairly" because they didn't follow some made up rules.

Tunneling, in any other team based multiplayer game is just focusing down a player. Sometimes that's because they're the healer, sometimes it's just because they're the best one on their team. Only here do people claim they have a right not to be focused down by the opposing side.

Camping is defending a killer objective. The killer is there to kill. This isn't the same as spawn camping in mp games, as the rescue Mechanics are literally built in. In any other game with a "prisoner" mechanic, you'll find them to be guarded. The smart move is generally to slam the gens out, which leads to nonsense term 3.

Genrushing is a term that was originally made in jest, until some people started taking it seriously. There's no reason not to do the gens as quickly as possible, unless you suspect noed and want time to count totems. However that, much like tunneling and camping, is purely a subjective tactical decision made by the players involved.

More or less, yes. We don't have infinite decisive and loops, actual facecamping was removed years ago. People don't come to this forum Happy. They generally come here after having a few bad games, so it tilts the entire environment here. The biggest real issue with the game, imo is that the matchmaking prioritizes queue times instead of even matches, fix that and it's all good

"not intended"

Play support in Overwatch. If the other team has any clue what they are doing, a good half your time will be running back from the spawn points. Just how pvp works

Kills=Skill - a lot use tunnel and camp.

I play both sides, more casual, and am somewhat in mid MMR i think.

For me proxy camping happens sometimes (and am not saced and died on 1st hook) and i camp sometimes (against annoying teams).

I die often and don´t think it is that big of a deal as it is still a game. People here take this already waayy too serious.

I wonder that people don´t want to accept that there are situations where thing are going downhill and you lose. Be angry for a short time and go to the next game. Not really a problem.

Facecamping is a real plague im all with you on that if you proxi because there is stuff around to check that's fine just standing there is super boring for the jiller himself. Only time I camp is when the doors are open because I think then it's Okey or when I find someone that wants my attention so much he literally begs for it

But don't get downed is just a stupid argument because the game is designed that the killer downs you sooner or later

It's not nearly the same as the old infinites of 2016, those were trash.

Also trash? You had to be exactly in front of the hook to save teammates, meaning any killer could literally hook someone, then sit in that spot and go afk. That's what facecamping actually is/was. They fixed it, so that can't happen, you can unhook from any angle, and people actually have to defend the hook, rather than standing afk. (Which is why I think it's a good fix for the pig camping a single box thing)

I mean, sure that's an option, but I'm just saying if they do camp, and sometimes you'll get lucky and they panic and hit the survivor on the hook while still in the animation and then you both get away

Well, I've got nearly 2,000 hours in-game, and my dbd stats indicate a fair number of those were as survivor. So yeah, you can believe what you like. The evidence is on my side though.

If you thinking camping is bullying, then yes, absolutely. You've adopted a victim mentality. Camping is a strategy. You may not like it, but you can't deny it.

Yet you were unable point out a single flaw with it. You do realise that just because you say so does not shape reality?

Absolutely. Maybe you only got caught towards the end of the match and the killer has no choice to camp or "lose" the game. It's a way to put pressure on the others to either come and rescue you (and potentially get hooked themselves).

You seem to have some entitlement to presume that you have to be allowed to be unhooked, etc. This is plain survivor entitlement. You have no right to this. You can expect it from good team mates and a killer who isn't sweating, but it's not something you're entitled to, else it'd be baked within the game.

Oh good, glad you've recognised the killer isn't obligate to budge. Ergo, camping is fine.

Yup. Don't get caught, and if you do, learn from your mistakes and move on.

If someone is distressed because they're playing a PvP game and lost, then I'd question whether they should be playing at all! More fool that person, I say.

I like scares... but I don't go into a horror movie and start crying because I got scared. That's just stupid.

Again, it's not abuse. It's literally game mechanics. You keep projecting your subjective perspective onto others.

And you're also failing to see the other side... the killers who've paid good money to play a camping killer - which is permitted by game design - are entitled to play as they wish. It's a PvP survival game... it's not a nursery designed to appease your whims.

because there is a huge difference between a Killer camping a hook and a Killer defending their hook.

Killers can still hit survivors unhooking another survivor.. Then hit them again forcing a trade. I don't see why a trade should be more normalized than a face camping killer to be allowed to guarantee a kill on the hooked survivor and then grab anyone healthy who tries to unhook the person on the hook.

I just don't get it. A lot of the people in this thread really just think you should do gens and leave/the killer should get that 1 guaranteed kill if they face camp like that's the way this game is intended to be played. How is that fun on either side? I could never face camp as a killer that just isn't fun to me. This game is best enjoyed when chasing/being chased, hiding/looking for the survivors and interacting with other players in general rather than sitting in one spot for the majority of the match.

And I understand killers who face camp mid match / end game but I still think giving the person on the hook a chance to escape that situation if someone else is willing to sacrifice themselves is fair. I start to have a problem with face camping when killers just do it on their first hook and force the other survivors to rush gens / secure their first kill then segue into their late game builds which usually involve no way out, noed etc where they try to get additional kills for minimal effort.

Face camping makes people quit playing the game and as long as it exists and is popularized/meta (thanks sbmmr) it just makes it less appealing to play this game tbh. And that's OK, there are plenty of other great games out rn for people to play

About the "6 hits" I suppose then you're not using med kits, dead hard (because it is a free button pass to a hit) or hatch sure? because hatch if gens are not repaired is another unfair chance right?

I suppose your answer will be something trashy like of course survivors deserve 2323423432234324234 tries to escape, but killers can't camp or tunnel if needed to stop the gen rush

The meta game now is clear, kill one survivor fast or you're done, most killers that doesn't have map control NEEDS to kill one survivor ASAP, fix gen rush and I'm sure less killers won't camp and tunnel.

also its just a game, camping is a gambling, if the team keeps doing gens the killer is done with depip and 1 hook in the game so its your team fault too if they go into the killer plan :)

TL;DR: if a killer camp there is counterplay, for the rest of the team do gens and the killer is done, depip and game finished

for the camped one, click the play again button its not a big deal :)

a lot of unfair things should be fixed before camping

I mean, if devs are planning a way to nerf the hateful facecamp (hope they compensate buffinng killers, cause sometimes facecamp in needeed, like on endgame), regole hook grabs could be a good idea to start with.