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Yall hook campers listen... (mini guide for beginners)
first of all i do find survivor side stronger and i do play 80% of my matches as killer... Now i dont want any discussions about CoH dead hard etc. i have 2 simple questions and 1 point to make
My first question is How does hook camping solve the problem of you not getting any kills?
My 2nd question is How are you going to imrpove if you dont take the L and learn to chase instead?
Ok so im gonna put it short and simple when you complain about not being able to get a kill ASK YOURSELF WHY!?!?
there are some rules of thumb you can use and there are som stuff you need to do before picking up a chase
So im gonna start with before the chase. So when you see a survivor and you are about to start a chase think about a few things... First of all Is this a good chase? are they far away, close which loops do they have. If they are in shack maybe its better to go for someone else. 2nd after your first few chase you need to IDENTIFY WHICH SURVIVOR IS GOOD AT LOOP and WHICH ONE IS THE WEAK LINK!!!... Now i usually dont recommend tunneling but if you cant catch the good survivor look for someone else maybe someone that isnt as good...
Ok so lets say your in a chase a simple rule you can follow is that if you havent gotten a pallet or a hit within 15 seconds you have made an mistake... (there are some exceptions where it might take longer like at shack or a jungle gym...) but generally speaking withing 15 seconds you should have gotten a hit or they should have dropped a pallet...
2nd if you complain about survivors only looping the strong loops. Try zoning them out. if they run to shack run inbetween if possible and cut them off... this will force them to run the opposite direction or well take a hit...
3rd dont mind game to much if its an unsafe pallet sure you can attempt a mindgame but YOU CANT MINDGAME A PALLET THAT TAKES 11 SECONDS TO RUN AROUND!!!! just kick it (like shack just kick it, jungle gyms kick it)
edit: Remember that if you hook someone thats 1 person not doing gens. if you chase someone while someone is hooked thats 2, now if they want to unhook him they need another guy to go for it so THATS 3 PEOPLE NOT SITTING ON GENS!!!
Lastly i usually complaing about hookcamping and i do find it really boring but i hope this can help atleast one of you to rethink the reason your hookcamping and maybe start seeing your losses as an opportunity to improve. There might be some youtubers that are happy to review your footage and make a video about it, if not record your match and review it yourself start thinking WHY didnt i catch him WHY was that chase so long instead of just giving up and hook camping 1 - 2 kills :)
PSST keep the comments friendly and positive no DS, DH, CoH complaing dont complain about maps etc. I know that some maps have an insane amount of pallets :p
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Camping is only good if you know how to take advantage of it,if you just camp just to get 1 kill,then you wont get much of anything else.
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Camping has it's time and place. If it's not used at the right time, you won't get more than 1 kill or you won't get any at all
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Personally, I tunnel people down and then camp the hook because of COH. If they get away I just tunnel them down again. I'm not too interested in "improving" because I play for my entertainment, and that's what I want to do. When I want to "improve" I swap to Nurse and actually practice the blinks, not just tunnel and camp as Wraith or Bubba.
So, long story short, I still get to play DBD, but there's mechanics I don't like dealing with so I just don't deal with them.
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You assume everyone camps out of frustration and that deep down they don't enjoy it.
I do believe that is the case for some, but probably not for most. Personally I don't really camp much during a normal game, but sometimes... You just want to take someone to the basement as Bubba, put some Bach and chill while you check DBD forum. I find this done occasionally to be very enjoyable.
There is also the fact that this game's particular community has largely developed an antagonistic behavior that equates screwing the other side to having fun. I think a lot of hard campers truly enjoy sticking it to the survivors and that either having one to be abandoned by their mates or trashing all four's games is a victory for them.
Telling them that they don't camp because it's bad for them is like asking survivors to not teabag or flashing click. Both behaviors are inefficient and often detrimental to the achievement of the actual objective of the trial, but that's not the point for them.
In short, logic cannot dissuade campers. It's a valid play style and a lot of people enjoy it.
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Wow glad you are so cool with being this cringe. Do not improve not that big of a deal. Scary that you seem proud of saying this. Good Luck hope that any team that faces you completely walls you :)
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[I'm not] sorry for playing the video game I paid for with my money for my entertainment how I want to when I'm on my own team of only me. I have like 700 hours, easy, on just killer. Trust me, I won't sit here and say I'm got tier and win all my matches, but I am not new.
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Did you know that not everybody plays video games to get better at them? Crazy thought, I know, but it exists.
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Crazy thought the point of the game was to play guess not. Maybe you should not have paid the money? Take the L and just throw you gaming out dude or at the very least play by your self. Online games are not for you lol.
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Let me repeat the statement:
I'm not sorry for playing the videogame that I paid for with my money for myself how I want to, and not how DriplordDrew wants me to play it.
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You think someone should quit playing games because you don't like they play Dead by Daylight? That's just sad
Post edited by Rizzo on7 -
Specifically, I don't play it how they want to. If they want to give me 100% of the money I've invested into my account, then sure I'll play exactly how he wants. But, nah.
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You haven't even seen how I play though. How do you know I have zero skill? Kappa
I wouldn't have several hundred hours on Nurse if I wasn't getting results with her, right? I did also mention I'll play her legit in the exact same post you quoted to tell me to stop playing how you don't want me to. Just saying~
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And what if all 4 are very good loopers?
After some games i won i get very good players now very often (i guess MMR 50% balance stuff here).
I am medium skilled i would think - there are players i can´t catch in a normal chase. Of course i change then and try the others. But sometimes there is no weak link.
Sometimes i catch one by accident. If i hook them there is no reason left to leave now. I get much better opportunities from them trying to save than i would get from chases.
I play - i improve - i can see that. But you get these groups who are just too good for you.
(I don´t say the CoH tunnel thing here - most know that)
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thats what i mean but in soloQ teammates doesnt even do gens so i've been in matches where we get 4k because i do 3 4 gens and the other dudes try to unhook... + i get camping at the end game or camping out like 10 - 15 sec to make sure they die or go to 2nd hook
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No but im not talking about that 15 sec camping to make sure you get the kill im talking about killers who chase one survivor the whole match and manage to down him and just camps him becasue he was "good"
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i mean it is what it is if they are good at looping there isnt much you can do. but getting rid off goot pallets can be the difference between a 4k... i remember playing against a pig which i looped my first loop like 40 50 sec with 2 pallets than i got insta tunneled after the unhook, hooked again... after that i just started wasting pallets and she got no more downs or even a hit (since i played really safe and she just tunneled me)... same reason she didnt get rid of the strong pallets which allowed me to buy myself tons of time (and it is pig so its just a m1 killer :p) which killers do you play?
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Please continue calling efficiency "not trying to learn the game", as if playing DbD takes skill
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it sounds like you have 0 skill since you cant play against CoH...
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and i've played since 2017 with almost 6000 hours.... if you cant down someone due to CoH thats a YOU problem not CoH... the thing CoH does is making it useless to hit multiple survivors its not really harder to down someone (ofc depends on which killer you play since some are hit and run like legion, wraith)
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Thats a good way to look at it... thats what i say to new people if you hook someone thats one person on a gen, you chase one thats 2 and then a third has to go for the unhook thats 3 survivors doing nothing :)
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I choose to not play against it, not that I can't play against it. I have zero problems with it on Nurse, Huntress, Pinhead, and Plague. I just choose to not play against it on the killers I like to play.
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Mostly Wraith. I'm a Wraith main.
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so you intentionally grief urself and give survivors a free win becasue u dont like a perk? cool!
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Basically, yeah. That's how I want to play, and I see no issue with it so I will continue to play like that.
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I usually destroy every dropped pallet - yes, this sometimes really helps towards the end.
I vary a bit with killers. At the moment i play Sadako - i like her. Against normal players she is pretty strong.
I kinda like Pinhead - same. Doing pretty good sometimes but suck when the players know how the box works and loop good.
Some Myers, Nemesis, Doc, Wraith, tried Blight these days - got his adept. With Demo (fun) i got smashed.
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You know you can just camp survivors in the bot mode right? There you also don't have to face CoH :)
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But I want to play on the live games, not with bots...?
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great choices i used to paly a lot of pinhaed really fun killer and he is pretty strong too like if you learn him he is great... the sad thing with sadako is that CoH makes it 2 times harder :/ but she is a fun killer to have only played like 6 7 matches on her outside the PTB so im not that good with her
ok this one you might not like but have u tried twins :) all survivors hate her you get tons of DCs and its a fun killer to play... tho you have to kinda hook camp or well trade hook stages... otherwise i really like playing plague to since she is pretty unique too!
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yeah, when I'm playing killer and the survivor is prethrowing every pallet and teabaging every time that warrants camping especially when they screw over their fellow survivor by not leaving any pallets for them.
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If they're all good, that's just bad luck and move on, it happens
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the argument "Dont camp in endgame, go out there and practice chase more instead" doesnt make much sense to me, all that is going to happen in that scenario is that you're going to chase a survivor and then they'll run to their 99'd door and leave, and thats not something that you're gonna learn from
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i said I DO GET CAMPING IN THE ENDGAME
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In my games they only use CoH once every 10 games, do they really use it every single match in high MMR?
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My Wraith, Nurse, Pinhead, and Huntress definitely are/was high MMR, and yes. All the other killers I play I see it every so often.
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well thats why i didnt say anything about camping a kill in the endgame i never said that you shouldnt camp in endgame to secure one kill... he is just making up stuff... i said this in a comment
"i get camping at the end game or camping out like 10 - 15 sec to make sure they die or go to 2nd hook"
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Why chase multiple survivors when i can camp and get multiple survivors come to me?
Why should i chase when i can lay a trap via oblivious and beat the survivor down?
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Personally, if i chase someone the whole game without downing him and he was NOT toxic, i will let him go.
But if that guy tbagged me anytime he could, why shouldnt i camp him?
(EIDT: i only camp toxic players)
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He can play how he want to. Maybe multiplayer online isn't for you especially with all these other players.
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"No discussions about DH/CoH"
So we can't talk about the literal main reasons people camp and tunnel...
ok.
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All of this makes 2 big assumptions.
1. Killers who camp don't know how to play otherwise.
2. Killers who camp do so out of "frustration" due to frequent losses caused by assumption 1.
If you want to have an actual discussion about it, when I camp a survivor it has nothing to do with disliking that survivor, or my confidence in looping, or any of that.
Want to know why I camp (when I do)?
Lean in close. Really close, I don't want this getting out.
Because it works.
That's it. That's the entire reason. I camp when I get seriously altruistic teams who are both very eager for saves, and also not particularly skilled at working as a team to achieve those saves. Sure in those circumstances I could hook and run, but honestly why waste the time looking for survivors who are so eager to run straight to me?
If they stop going for saves willy nilly and focus on gens, I stop camping to get them off of those gens, but if by standing by a single hook I can keep 4 people occupied? Why the hell wouldn't I? Like any other strategy employed by killers in this game, it's effectiveness is almost fully up to the survivors. Whether you absolutely refuse to camp or refuse to do anything but camp, you're just taking your own tools out. Me? I go with whatever strategy I think will kill the most survivors in each particular match. Sometimes that means hooking one survivor early and slapping his friends down when they come in one at a time for him.
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Didn't bother reading but if two gens pop in the first/second chase the guy is getting camped.
The same goes if I hear two boons within seconds of the game starting.
And I'll happily trade as I'm running star-struck and can turn a 1k into a 4k by picking up someone at the hook and then dropping them and going for the rest of the team as they gather like flys.
I don't play killer to be a form of entertainment that can be enjoyed by survivors and then them saying "GG" after they sat at the open exit gates because I played "fairly" and then get zero kills I intend on getting kills.
If I ruin a survivors game I honestly don't care.
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i only camp if i know im about to get SWF clickity flashed
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"wo gens pop in the first/second chase the guy is getting camped." so you camp every game... cool once again the first 2 gens are free for the survivors i mean yea whatever ur new to the game cant blame ya but you need to stop thinking that you can 5 gen everyone 3 gens is super good if you 5 gen someone the survivors are just dog water...
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yea cuz you are low MMR
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no because i know that 99% of all campers say that and 50% of them use it as an excuse anyways so
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ur low MMR this wont work if the survivors are even half decent
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Of course. How could I forget that you are the one user on this forum who is able to tell everyone's mmr level...
Oh wait, you aren't, you're just making assumptions because it's easier than actually engaging with viewpoints that disagree with you, that's right.
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yea because i have 5000 hours and when i play with some of my friend we have a total of like 10000 hours and i've never been 3k with the magainst a hook camper NEVER NEVER NEVER... why? a person has 120 sec on a hook a gen is 80 sec simple math its like 2 + 2 ITS IMPOSSIBLE TO GET 3 kills when hook camping unless the survivors are bad ROFLLLLL
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Uh huh. Sure kid. Whatever you need to tell yourself. That's why you're here trying to stop camping, because of how little it happens, right? If it didn't work, it wouldn't be nearly as prevalent. It's really that simple.
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i have played since 2017 my friend gifted me it "mottogs som en gåva eller i byte" roughly means "received as a gift or in a trade" (konto namn is my personal name and last name so i blurred it out :)
now you believe me or not i dont care but you say urself that u because 2 gens pop when you down the first person THAN a hook stage is 60 sec 2 hook stages are 120 sec which means your away from the game for 120 sec and you have 3 survivors doing a gen which takes 80 sec each (no skillchecks missed no great which reduces the time by roughly 2 sec) even if they sat 2 on a gen which is a roughlt 47.5 sec/gen they would still manage to do 3 gens so either ur hacking or the survivors are bad since there is no way you can get form the hook 40 sec after all gens are done and get a down LMAOOOO
+ im 19 so im not a kid i work etc. :)
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There’s ofc the occasional first hook camper, but in most cases I’ve witnessed, camping is a strategic play utilised at the correct time for pressure. With how survivor sided the game is, and how unbalanced most maps are, and how weak and outdated many killers are, even killer mains with several thousand hours have to camp, proxy camp and tunnel to apply adequate pressure. It’s just part of the game at the end of the day, and in the majority of cases, when such strategies succeed, it’s the teams fault for failing to respond appropriately.
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"but you say urself that u because 2 gens pop when you down the first person"
I read that 3 times, and I think you are confusing me with a different poster. I never said anything about gens popping.
Yes 19 is still a kid. A teenager, to be specific. Congratulations on having a job though, a lot of kids don't.
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