Legion re-work only leading to more and more players quitting.

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Well unless it was their fifth hit in a chain they don’t down you with a Feral Frenzy hit, so one thing you can try is don’t drop pallets when you’re healthy. If you’re injured go ahead and drop them, that will force Legion to either try and loop it normally or break it by kicking it or going into Frenzy and vaulting it, but none of those will immediately get them a down. Basically against Legion your best bet is split up, stay injured and try and force Legion to down you with basic attack chases which can take a little while.

Note that the five-hit Frenzy chain down is an option for them, but even when it work it takes them quite a long time to actually do, up to 50 seconds with base kit and up to 100 seconds with Never Sleep Pills. Yes, they can get downs this way, but getting one down per minute isn’t really overpowered, even taking into account the mending involved.

Just assume that legion is gonna put you in injured state because that's his power, and keep pallets for when he isnt in frenzy. Is so easy, just do this with that combo addons or without. Legion is so countereable if you use your brain just a little...

You misread that.

Legion being annoying to face wasn't what kicked off their first rework. Lack of counterplay and borderline abuse of some mechanics is what did it.

Did the Devs make it easier to get deep wounds on people? Yes. Why? Because Legion was a pretty weak killer and that's what their whole shtick is for the most part. Frenzy around spreading injuries and deep wounds, cancel power and commit to an M1 chase while the rest of the team is distracted mending. That is what they do. That's what they've done for years. Were you expecting the devs to do a complete rework of them like they did old Freddy or something?

Nope. At least not from what I've heard/seen.

Firstly, it was because Deep Wound timer paused in chase instead of as you ran. So Legion could moonwalk with Bloodhound and force you to either drop from DW or get stabbed. Secondly, it was also because damaging the Deep Wound timer with Franks Mix Tape actually worked because Frenzy didn't need to be fully charged to activate. Frenzy hits are very difficult to prevent and if Legion can down you by Frenzy stabbing you over and over again... there's really not much you can do to stop it. Lastly, a missed Frenzy hit didn't dump Legion out of their power so Legion could actually go faster by spamming lunge... though they may have needed Unrelenting to do that.

Edit: Actually I looked it up... the multi frenzy stab down was a base kit thing... Frank's Mix Tape just made it better.

I don't think I understand what this post or thread is about...

Is it about Legion being strong?

Is it about a lot of people playing Legion?

Is it about silly design directions?

I don't understand what the soul of this is intended to be or where it is supposed to be headed.

5th hit is only an issue when there are even 4 survivors in the match.

How the heck is Legion getting 5th hits after their buddy does or while they're on the ground/hook?

Do they keep mending before their power is through??

Ugh. I don't understand.

Mending sucks, but it honest-to-goodness isn't all too bad in most circumstances.

I reread your post that I responded to and here’s what you said

The answer to your question is the same as what I said - “it’s a power at that point” because it works but it’s not necessarily game breaking. From your new reply you apparently don’t like being in chases against basic attack killers while injured and think “those chases aren’t interesting”? (“So at that point, I am just playing against a 115 killer with no power, except that I am injured for most the match. That is terrible”) I’m not sure why though because those chases are the same as any other chases you’d have against any basic attack killer while injured at that point.

Yes. That is exactly what I said. I hate being chased while injured.

Not the fact that his power denies survivors ability to implement game knowledge to avoid, or at least minimise the chance of being hit. Then once hit, his power then applies a passive slowdown which forces survivors to waste time because his power would be extremely weak without it due to its terrible design. Then once injured you have to make a choice to either waste time healing knowing that your are likely going to be injured again, thus wasting a significant amount of time. Or you play the game injured, cutting a chase in half, because you only have one health state, and stealth based builds don't work because of your grunts of pain and blood trail. Then you add the fact that most legion's will run sloppy butcher, to drag out the healing even longer or thanaphobia, so if t you choose to not heal, the legion gets even more passive slowdown. All of this combined with the fact that he does not have a power during the actual chase, making him one of the most uninteresting killers in dbd objectively. All of which drags matches out long past the point that they should have ended, not because the match was close necessarily. But because the killer was just running across the map , going from person to person, hitting them forcing them to heal every minute. All of a sudden a 7 minute match, is now a 15 minute match, and the killer only got 4 hooks. What worse is unlike killers with unique abilities, his is just base M1, which is objectively uninteresting.

You also say that its the same as any base M1 killer while injured.

No, take scream. yes while in a chase his just an M1 killer. However, when I'm not in a chase I have to be careful to avoid being taken out before the chase even starts. This is at least interesting. Something that separates him from others. I'm sure you are going to say, what about plague? or the twins? Technically their power is unavoidable and is just a base M1 killer. Correct, and guess what, they are both unpopular killers to play against. The twins especially, due to victor being oppressive, even once injured.

For all the overblown whining about Iri and Julies.

2.6 Seconds to break a Pallet.

.9 Seconds for Legion to vault a Pallet.

3.0 Seconds for Legions cooldown from cancelling Frenzy.

Legion can't down you after vaulting and breaking a pallet with Julie's and Iri unless he hits you after, then cancels his power or you were already injured and he cancels his power right after.

Either way, he's inactive 1.3 seconds LONGER than if he'd just kicked the Pallet. He just gets to take the cooldown to go if he doesn't cancel immediately after.

I actually find the rework to make legion harder to play cause survivors know to run from legion when he's coming and waste his metre so they can't get that free down. from your end it sounds like a skill issue tbh.

Are you kidding? It made me want to play Legion more. I'm kind of bored playing always the same few killers.

The buff wasn't that big but at least now he can do something (and is even good with rare addons)

To be 100% fair, players were and should have been doing this since day 1.

It's like saying that whenever something improves, people are made more aware of it.

Just because killers anticipate Dead Hard does not make it any weaker, knowing of something and how it's implemented in the game does not, by merit, make it weaker than it was before it was buffed.