NOED Rewards Failure

I can genuinely just change a few words in your paragraph and it still works to give flack to the other side.

"Three times out of the few matches played today I have actually lost due to one perk.

A reminder that DH is a perk that rewards failure. The killer did well completing the objective against impossible and unbearable odds only for someone to lose because the game gives the survivor a petty second chance.

I wouldn't mind this perk if two conditions were true;

1) The killers objective was much easier to complete.

2) Killers had a similar perk.

It's not a good feeling to lose when the opponent played poorly but got rewarded for it. When the state of the game incredibly favors the survivors, DH needs a change now."

Sluzzy is a straight villain on these forums i swear. Not even a good villain, more like a disney villain because you can't relate to them.

Have you tried replacing Dead Hard, or Decisive Strike with Detectives Hunch? That would solve the issue right there. There’s also Counter Force. Become a cleanse machine.

Survivor mains just want to do gens, and use second chance perks. When I solo I’m not using those. I’m running fun builds. Like “Pharmacy Tech” build, Mettle of Man builds, etc. I still escape as killers THINK you have those perks, and fumble. I hate playing sweaty, and DBD isn’t the olympics. It’s a game you get high/drunk with, and play. Especially with friends.

If you always play in an unsporting manner you’ll become upset when the unsporting behaviors happen to you.

For someone who complains so much about things that apparently don't have counters (countless killer perks/killers) when survivors have none of that and all have some form of a counter, it's strange you're conveniently ignoring the fact NOED has a counter. You've got quite a lot of time to go to and try to find the totem then BT the person off the hook. It probably adds a little excitement to an otherwise snoozefest game.

Chances are if a killer is using NOED and you're complaining about NOED, then the killer was probably really bad and it's just upsetting to think that a bad killer gets a free kill, when good survivors wouldn't have too much trouble finding a totem and saving the person on hook. If it was so strong, and common, well, there's perks for finding just that. The only time it's an issue is if the killer is lucky enough to hook a survivor where they can guard the totem, in which case "high risk, high reward"

In other words, what you're saying is so dumb I probably wasted my time humoring it, though if I'm being honest I personally think NOED is a perk for bad killers. But hey, if it isn't NOED, it's a gen regression perk, or some pesky thing killers use to make the game easier. Not a thing a survivor would use.

Not really.

Sure, at face value, sitting on a gen is "holding one button", but survivors objective is to escape, no? Sitting on gens is just part of that objective: there are many things that survivors have to do in order to escape (save, heal, win chases, coordinate with their team, etc.). Not to mention unique objectives and tasks which come with different killers (removing Pig traps, solving Pinhead's Lament box, etc.).

"Holding one button" is an over-simplified, and frankly patronizing take on it.

Noes is perfect Survivors Have many advantages And They areuch stronger and easier to bully Remove Dead Hard And Them Noed

"Survivors don't really have any second chance perks. Not like NOED."

I cannot believe that this isn't a parody account, there is no way that anyone could seriously say this with a straight face.

Seriously.

If you got insta downed with NOED that's what the perk is supposed to do.

See how that works?

NOED is gained from having at least one totem up by end game, pretty easy to activate.

Dead Hard is gained from simply being injured, pretty easy to activate.

Both are crutches that are too easy to activate. Both reward and coverup bad gameplay, which is why both of them are getting nerfed.

Does Rancor Reward failure?

Yessir

DH and CoH pop immediately to mind - and you seem to be ignoring the fact that this is a 1v4 game so a 1:1 comparison is intrinsically false.

I mean yea because if I run Cool Jake with Small Game I clear out 3-5 totems quickly. It all depends on how many Boons are out

3 times you could have done bones. Ain't a better feeling than seeing a killer have noed that had never been lit up because no bones were on the map.

Also dead hard rewards failure so does unbreakable and Ds. Along with many others.

NOED can be hard countered and you didn't want to do that. Killers lose games due to dead hard and other second chance perks that reward failure. NOED is the only perk like that on killer side.

Just run small game, counter force, detectives hunch, learn bone placements or bring a map. Do all 5 bones and you know you're safer at endgame. Plus we all love BP.

Second thing is... NOED is the killer’s version of a second chance, which only procs at the END. Meaning killers run around with 3 perks in hopes it even activates.

Survivors have a load of second chance perks that all 4 of them can use during the entire trial, AND they be used repeatedly in some cases (cool downs)…

Survivors have every right to use their perks to survive in the same way killers have every right to use theirs to get sacrifices… NOED can be countered. DH for distance cannot be. BT cannot be anymore. Waiting 60 seconds for DS to fade is not a real counter. Maybe instead of running BT, DH, DS, and Unbreakable to do a CJ you would run a totem hunting perk. Detective’s Hunch says hello. Since all survivor mains do are gens it’ll literally tell you where everything is. In the time it takes to activate a boon you could cleanse totems.

Both sides of “mains” feel very entitled, but survivor mains take the cake when you have to choose between which side feels more entitled. Complaining about NOED is such an asinine argument when compared to the survivors resources. I solo Q and I never complain about NOED.

It can be completely eliminated before it procs though, but DH is a permanent part of every chase a survivor has

Sorry to disappoint :,(

I mean, noed doesn't proc on a blessed totem anyways so you're fine if there's one bones left on the map and it's blessed, noed won't activate

High lvl mmr usually doesn´t complain about NOED. Since they either find it quickly, so the killer barely gets 1 down or don´t bother at all.

I also don´t use it. I´m not a fan of endgame perks. Because they are very niche, and not powerful enough for having a perk slot unused during the biggest part of the match. Today i had a match against someone with a full endgame build. This included Rancor, while i was the Obsession. End of the story, i was the only one who died. Asked the killer how this build performs (out of curiosity) and he got all mad at me. shrug Meanwhile i was happy to see a Nemesis mori.

NOED and Dead Hard can't simply just be rebalanced. The problem is people use them because they feel they need to in order to win, so if NOED was removed or changed in a significant way that it's no longer effective then the people that use it as a crutch will either complain in masses or stop playing the game. I don't think "just do bones" is a solution either because sometimes you don't have time to cleanse every totem if you want everyone to escape.

I think the real solution is to rebalance the game itself than just that perk. A lot of mechanics need to be adjusted so that people ultimately feel like they don't need to rely on crutches to win. Same applies to camping and tunneling too. I believe matchmaking is a factor as well, so if you're constantly getting killers that are bad and have to rely on noed then they're probably not at your skill level and MMR isn't working as intended. Most of these things are symptoms of the problem and not the source

I don't use NOED, but I do use dead hard. Whenever I stop using meta perks I end up getting camped/tunneled or have a miserable match which is why I end up going back to meta perks in the end rather than trying new/fun builds. It's probably similar for people that use NOED.

No one uses DH to “dodge”. Anyone with a brain 🧠 uses DH to gain insane amounts of distance when they otherwise could not. Mind you this will happen every single chase after a survivor becomes injured 🙂🙃🙂. Waiting out a DH doesn’t work unless a survivor is chased to a wide open area (Smart survivors will never be). Heaven forbid it’s an indoor map like Lery’s.

When combined with WoO the insight you get on loops can make you uncatchable in many cases. Since whenever you become injured you’ll use the adrenaline to run to those exact spots while keeping DH.

You jest. You jest. Hehehe. 🤭