Hook camping penalty

Killers who complain about pallet camping really demonstrate they have no idea how to play killer. I love when survivors camp pallets, because they burn through their recourses twice as fast.

There are not enough safe pallets for that to work. If you are versing survivors who play like that and you are still losing, the game is not the problem, you are. The hardest part of killer is forcing the pallet drop, if survivors are dropping it early, then you are being given a massive advantage. I suggest you practice more at survivor.

Ok.. let me explain some basic math.

If you have one pallet

and a survivor runs to and drops it. let's say they get 5 seconds of value not including pallet break time.

Now let's take that same pallet, and a survivor runs the killer around it. Let's say 5 seconds per loop for a maximum of 3 loops. 3x5= 15. Notice, how one number, is bigger then the other.

Now some maps, can have as little as 7 pallets. and others can have up to 25. So 25x5= 125 or 2 minutes and 5 seconds. Let's add 2.5 for pallet break time 25x2.5=62.5, total 182.5 seconds. And that is with the most optimal map, with the most optimal pallets for survivors. It literally only gets less then that. That's assuming, the killer breaks every single pallet, instead of mind gaming them, when can be done at the majority of pallets. Let's say 3 gens go in that time period, you have 2 gens, with no pallets at defence. So... yes, you are the problem, this game requires survivors to loop because otherwise they will have nothing to use. Please learn to play both sides, instead of just complaining about something you clearly have no understanding of.

This is all great if the is actually how the game is played I don't know what game you've been in were you got that random information but that's not how games work and not how gens work either especially lately when gens been going in like 3 minutes I understand camping hooks can be seen as a troll move but it is used just as a survivor uses there pallets MAYBE you should play both sides before you complain about obviously you don't understand either

Do you acutely understand what you ae saying?

"This is all great if the is actually how the game is played I don't know what game you've been in were you got that random information but that's not how games work." That was literally my point, that survivors are looping, to get more time at a pallet. But according to you, camping pallets is a problem. I never said that's what they are doing, in fact I went as far as to say they are not doing that. You were the one that said that. Can you actually explain your point, because I have no idea what your point is.

Cause your point, was "camping pallets is a problem." I then explained why its objectively in favour of the killer for survivors to do that. Then you said well survivors aren't playing like that. What actually is your point, I have no idea.

Their job isn't to stand still at hooks and wait for survivors to die. Their job is to hook and sacrifice survivors, does camping lead to that? Yes, but there are many other methods to do that, that doesn't make survivors unable to participate in normal gameplay

Umm where did you come from? My point is they are mad that killers camp hooks my rebuttal was why are you getting mad at killers for camping hooks when survivors just camp pallets the point being killers and survivors have things to camp and it happens on both sides, you can't get made at one and not the other I have no idea why it's sooo hard to understand

Let's apply some basic math, a single solo gen takes 80 seconds, there are 3 survivors doing gens while one burns through all the pallets in 182.5 seconds... what have the other 3 survivors been doing for 102.5 seconds if only 3 gens pop in that timeline?

Like I don't believe that simply burning pallets is a good way to play survivor, but if you want to be mathematical like that. That chase means 3x182.5 seconds is 547.5 seconds of total time between the rest of the survivors. 5x80 is 400 seconds, 30 seconds for the end gate means you have 117.5 seconds of travel time and 3 people escape.

If you are in chase for over 3 mins purely from additional time gained by using pallets, that will in reality be usually a 5 gen chase. The main reason why dropping pallets like that doesn't work is because the killer will break off and chase people into the created dead zones.

Your own scenario is flawed, but if that happens as you describe... the math favors the survivors.

alright.... but it's the killer's choice to camp. like you said, their job is to hook and sacrifice survivors, so camping is a quick way to sacrifice survivors. Plus, if the team is efficient enough, they should get about 2 gens done per camp, or they could go for save. So, it doesn't really change the gameplay for anyone. You're hooked? okay, you can try to escape or wait. Killer wants a kill? okay, they're gonna wait for it like normal. You want to escape the trial? Okay, do gens.

YOU ARENT COMPLAINING AT SURVIVORS CAMPING PALLETS LMAO WHAT. Camping pallets and campings hooks are so vastly, and camping pallets can be more beneficial to killers than survivors. Like when you know how a survivor is playing you can just quickly swing around a corner and end up hitting them and taking the pallet, thats what I do at least, pallet camping isn't the best tactic, but even if it was, one prevents another from participating in the game and the other just means it's a longer chase....

Ah, yes, I am complaining that palate camping is a problem, just as they're complaining hook camping, it's a problem, literally, I don't know why people don't understand. It's the same thing. I'm talking in a troll sense, since you survivors get annoyed that killers can pokes and take it as trolling or whatever I get annoyed that survivors pallet camp, I take it as trolling, and I have had survivors show me around a pallet before I've had survivors pounced on me that I didn't even know, was there just to make me look bad and then vote run away and bolts somewhere else, it's not that hard LITERALLY GROW UP AND GET OVER IT!!

Thanks for your opinion, but it is a real issue, just as much as survivors feel, hook camping is a real issue then they go and palette camp. If palate camping isn't a real issue, then hook camping isn't a real issue

Yep agree to disagree I guess, great discussion tho

You're not a very bright person are you?

The only point, I had was how little value pallet camping gives, that is it. You are the one that wanted to bring up gen speeds in a post about "hook camping." Because of cause you do. There cannot exist one post on the forums where killer's don't bring up gen speeds. Then I point out that if you are being run for 3 minutes straight anyway, then you don't deserve to win. Unless you believe killers can play as poorly as they want and still win, Do you, just curious, because you completely ignored that.

If we have 5 generators at 80 seconds each, and you throw on corupt, to block 3 of them for 180 seconds. Let's say it takes 3 survivors still spawn on 3 gens so that is 80 seconds and you get one down in that time. You then camp that survivor, for a total of 120 seconds. Then you run deadlock, to guarantee 30 seconds buffer making it 120 seconds for gen 2. So now that survivor is on the hook for 40 seconds, assuming they are a 4 man SWF with constant communicating and no survivors go for a save. So 2 survivors complete a gen in 45 seconds (to make numbers easier). But then deadlock activates, blocking survivor 3 gen progress for 30 seconds. So now we're at 85 seconds. So then those 3 survivors start a new gen (otherwise they have to wait for 30 seconds). Now do a gen in 40 seconds. Now already, that's 125 seconds. So that survivor hooked is already dead. Now using NOED you get one down, now you don't even ned to do this, but let's say you run No way out on top of this to get an extra 21 seconds to ensure the down. You have now easily gotten 2 kills, with plenty of time to go.

All of this, and we ae assuming that the survivors are all 4 borderline flawless, and you are completely awful at killer. This is in the absolute worse case scenario for a killer. in reality, its rare for all 4 survivors to have mics, so they waste time checking the hook, and obviously its down to luck how the gen go for survivors. Of course if the killer is running, say pain resonance, or thrilling tremors, or hooks the survivor near a gen being worked on, then the killer has even more time, but hey why would that matter in a post, about HOOK CAMPING. But I guess you're just too smart for me.

Have you actually read my posts, or do you just have such an ego that you just want to have an argument?

1. Somebody made a complaint about pallet camping, in a post about hook camping, I then made a response.
2. He failed to understand it, so I used simple math to show the maximum amount of time pallet camping can theoretically give. I never applied to a real game, nor did I say that is what survivors are doing.
3. You, for whatever reason felt the need to start an argument with me about gen speeds? Because.... I have no idea why. And started an argument that both had nothing to do with the original conversation or the post???
4. You then respond with things like this "Now you go... but if they use corrupt, deadlock and other perks, yet the survivors use no exhaustion perks or windows in the chase?" If you are being looped by the survivor for 80 seconds, without them using a single exhaustion perk, not matter what map you are on, you are bad, 100% bad, and you need to get better.

LISTEN TO ME VERY CARFELY, BECAUSE YOU ARE STRUGGLING TO UDNERSTAND THIS

". You assumed that the survivor purely runs from pallet to pallet, slamming it down and the killer purely walks after them and kicks it."

The ordinal person, who stated, that survivors, were running from pallet to pallet, throwing it down, and the killer following behind breaking it

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I never said that, at any point. In fact the entire original conversation, was me arguing the opposite that is why I said you are not bright. You stared a conversation, and had no idea of what each person was arguing. I'm guessing you glanced at it and said "you survivor, me hate survivor, me tell survivor how bad and wrong they are."

Unbelievable you are beyond insane.

You do realise that I have tired to put the game in as much favour as killer as possible, exaggerating it to such an insane degree, to demonstrate the absolute worse case for a killer can have, which 182.5. I thought you would have some integrity and admit, "oh ok that's actually not that much, that's the worst case scenario, You want to use my numbers? ok glad you ignored half my original post where I mentioned the pallet variation., In the best case scenario for killers? 47. 5. barely half a generator, Let's break an average of 16 for a half way point is that fair.

16x 5=80+ 2.5x16=40 Total 120. So let's use that as a baseline, for an average match. There every single pallet destroyed with no anti gen perks, and the killer is a complete braindead player, with 2 gens left to go. This is still with all survivors doing gens in the most optimal way, which is not guaranteed. I thought Maybe you would have some respect, and admit "oh he's really trying to consider the worst case scenario for a killer I could have used the the 47 second baseline. There you go game is op killer sided, anyone who says different is wrong. But instead I exaggerated it to a massive degree, because I thought you would recognise that. But instead you go "survivor op, see 182.5, 80 seconds. I thought better of you, and I apologise for that.

Now imagine if you have just one bad solo Q teammate on top of this, all of a sudden only 2 gens go in that time. Thank you for demonstrating a complete lack of respect

"I even stated that what you state is flawed in any reality, as a better killer breaks off the chase and herds another into a dead zone."

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MY POINT, WAS THAT SURVIOVRS ARE NOT PLAYING LIKE THAT

OMG HOW HARD IS IT FOR YOU TO UNDERSTAND THAT

But there you go mate, some basic math for you. How about next time, you respond, you justify 47 second timer with 4 solo Q teammates. Stop creating an argument for you to have, and actually respond to what I'm saying.

This is my response.... I just can't with you.

If we have 5 generators at 80 seconds each, and you throw on corupt, to block 3 of them for 180 seconds. Let's say it takes 3 survivors still spawn on 3 gens so that is 80 seconds and you get one down in that time. You then camp that survivor, for a total of 120 seconds. Then you run deadlock, to guarantee 30 seconds buffer making it 120 seconds for gen 2. So now that survivor is on the hook for 40 seconds, assuming they are a 4 man SWF with constant communicating and no survivors go for a save. So 2 survivors complete a gen in 45 seconds (to make numbers easier). But then deadlock activates, blocking survivor 3 gen progress for 30 seconds. So now we're at 85 seconds. So then those 3 survivors start a new gen (otherwise they have to wait for 30 seconds). Now do a gen in 40 seconds. Now already, that's 125 seconds. So that survivor hooked is already dead. Now using NOED you get one down, now you don't even ned to do this, but let's say you run No way out on top of this to get an extra 21 seconds to ensure the down. You have now easily gotten 2 kills, with plenty of time to go.

All of this, and we ae assuming that the survivors are all 4 borderline flawless, and you are completely awful at killer. This is in the absolute worse case scenario for a killer. in reality, its rare for all 4 survivors to have mics, so they waste time checking the hook, and obviously its down to luck how the gen go for survivors. Of course if the killer is running, say pain resonance, or thrilling tremors, or hooks the survivor near a gen being worked on, then the killer has even more time, but hey why would that matter in a post, about HOOK CAMPING. But I guess you're just too smart for me.

Well that's not the only thing survivors do sure camping pallets is to make sure the killer chases them right? How bout chasing a survivor around a locker just to get head on by another? How bout never leaving the to troll the killer after they did there best? Have u seen the previous maps that are survivor sided there are more than 7 pallets on every map and there double windows back to back I feel like survivors who get camped have done something to offend the killer nerfing won't help

I play a lot more killer but low rank survivor is full of facecampers tbh, it's 1/3 of my games if not more, and since I always play solo very few teammates are able to coordinate and counter it, these games are the worst it's not fun in the slightest when killer just facecamp his very first hook

I find pyramid heads cages have a cool design, it simply relocate far away if you stay too close for too long.. if all hooks are like that then facecamp isn't a thing anymore, or possibly only the first hook could relocate not the second ? Idk but just to avoid that first hook facecamp, very frustrating

Again not comparing but saying survivors camp stuff to so stop complaining about killers, but I've been done with this discussion

Problem is that this is a shotgun balancing solution.

Plenty of times killers have to puppy guard a hook from a ravenous group of savior survivor teammates, or are in a chase with a survivor that leads them near the hook.

In addition, face-camping the survivor during EGC is absolutely fine by all metrics.

5m is fine as a slap-on-the-wrist measure.

If you want to really drop some punishment on campers, you're going to have to use a more specific and refined set of criteria to determine when it is and isn't warranted.

This here is a perfect summary as to why just encouraging killers to not camp by buffing their fair and skillful strategies won't be enough. BHVR also has to nerf tunneling and camping as much as possible, so those skillless strategies become as unviable as possible. No game should ever have such strategies be this freaking effective.

I was being sarcastic. They aren't, that's the point. Despite needing four times as many survivor players compared to killer players. They can be a bit longer during daytime, but during the evening, survivor queue times are what take longer. So it seems pretty balanced to me.

Just no. I guess when it comes to new perks, killers have been receiving the better end of the stick. But survivors received CoH, which was beyond op at it's release. And a few other perks that aren't bad either. Overloaded kits though? No idea what you mean there, but no. Both sides can have ridiculous kits, though on the killers side that's down to a few certain killers.

Maps reworked, and removed infinites have nothing to do with favoring killers. Like what the hell? It's done to make the game more balanced, and actually fair. There is no reason for survivors to have ######### that has 0 counterplay on the killers side. Not to mention that many of the map reworks did nothing for killer. Just look at the farm maps, especially Cowshed. Those are still beyond survivor sided. Not to mention the extremely survivor sided rework of the game map, and the beyond survivor sided map Eyrie of Crows. So when it comes to map reworks, they didn't do nearly enough to make maps more balanced.

Also, there have been a fews killer perks that got nerfed as well in the past. But just like some killers mains only take those nerfs into account, I guess you only take the survivor perk nerfs into account.

In the past years, killers have received more favorable changes than survivors, that's true. Especially some years ago, when they decreased pallet density, and healing time. But that's because the game has been rather survivor sided for a long time, back then at least. So of course there need to be more killer favored changes to combat that. In the last one or two years, the game has been in much more balanced spot, now it's biggest problem is that it's rather balanced for the wrong reasons, mainly gen rush, camping and tunneling. And perhaps 3 or 4 man slugging.

I don't think you know what the word "proof" means lmao. But I've already explained just above why BHVR does not focus any role.