Survivor rank system

@Slayer said:
I liked recent change for survivors to make it harder to pip. Good call. How about further changes in that direction? For example how about not rewarding them for unhooking since that is simple and doesnt take any skill. Let people to play with equally skilled players

There were changes ?

@The_Crusader said:
Damon22441 said:

@The_Crusader said:

Lol what?

Its already harder to pip as survivor than killer, and killers complain about queues in red ranks so.....

No, no it is not.

* In 9 minutes: Repair 2 gens, unhook 2 players— +1. (G,S,G,B)
* In 9 minutes: Repair 1 gen, unhook 3 players + heal one— +1. (S,S,I,B)
* In 9 minutes: Repair no generators, get no unhooks, but get chased for 60 seconds— -0. (-,S,B,G)

[Bronze, Silver, etc.]

I'm convinced it is impossible to depip without getting Tombstone/pieced or Mori'd in the very beginning if you so much as try an ounce, or your team throws your rank for you and lets you hang as the first hooked player or because the killer is throwing their rank with yours and face-camps.

If they had a -2 penalty (-3 to leavers), and bump the +1 requirement to 10 Emblem points while lowering the +2 from 14 to 13, I think it'd better reflect. As follows:

* 0-4 = -2
* 5-7 = -1
* 8-9 = -0 (S,S,S,S/G — what I'd consider a decently-bad game)
* 10-12 = +1
* 13+ = +2 (G,I,I,S — because Evader Stealth is a wonky category)

This way, game leavers/derankers will work their way back to 15 rapidly as they want (less thrown matches for people who actually want to play), bad players will derank until at-rank with bad killers, average players may slowly rank up until their killers are keeping at-rank, and good players won't find it difficult to get +2's against killers they are superior to and +1 for normal gameplay.

As killer it's so easy to 2 pip. Even having a poor game you can still safety pip. It's really hard to depip as killer.

As survivor you depip if you get camped out.

You depip if the killer gets looped all game by someone else and then camps you out with Noed at the end.

Doube pipping is much harder as survivor. You need unhooks but that depends on how many hooks the killer can get, and you're competing with 3 other people for those hooks.

You need good chases. What if you get chased late though and all the pallets are gone? Or the killer is laggy and you take some bs hits?

I find I can just play the game as killer and do well. As survivor a safety or single pip can normally be managed but I feel you sometimes need to force yourself to play in a certain way to win. You cant just have your goal of doing gens and going out of the exit, you have to force yourself to rush unhooks befote the other survivors get them or purposefully get the killer to chase you.

In lower ranks ranking up is far more easy as killer, but that changes once you reach higher ranks and the game time significantly drops.

But it must be harder for BOTH sides to pip, ranking system is a joke atm

Damon22441 said:

@The_Crusader said:
As survivor you depip if you get camped out.

You depip if the killer gets looped all game by someone else and then camps you out with Noed at the end.

Doube pipping is much harder as survivor. You need unhooks but that depends on how many hooks the killer can get, and you're competing with 3 other people for those hooks.

You need good chases. What if you get chased late though and all the pallets are gone? Or the killer is laggy and you take some bs hits?

I find I can just play the game as killer and do well. As survivor a safety or single pip can normally be managed but I feel you sometimes need to force yourself to play in a certain way to win. You cant just have your goal of doing gens and going out of the exit, you have to force yourself to rush unhooks befote the other survivors get them or purposefully get the killer to chase you.

"Doube pipping is much harder as survivor." If this is a point you want to make, my reduction from 14 to 13 points would help in that regard. Also, since it is actually a lot easier to not lose pips in the current system it's only a matter of time before a survivor reaches higher (lower?) ranks.

"Or the killer is laggy and you take some bs hits?" The dedicated services should help in this soon, and the onus is on the player in the lobby to understand and accept the menu ping displayed or leave to prevent such awfulness.

"... you sometimes need to force yourself to play in a certain way to win." This is my issue with high-rank killers. Being a merciless, uncaring, unforgiving, and unfun killer to the survivors will get you into Red ranks, but... at the cost of 4/5 of the player experience. Maybe even your own.

"you have to force yourself to rush unhooks befote the other survivors get them or purposefully get the killer to chase you." Actually, I avoid the killer at all costs and nearly 2 pip every game achieving a Silver in Evader (it's really "Chaser" since "Avoider" isn't actually rewarded that much) from merely getting a couple of smart unhooks, doing about 2/3 gens a match, and escaping or lasting 9 minutes. My typical match has me getting G/S,G/S,G/I,S — between 9 and 13 points (a +1 nearly every match). You don't need Evader if you do LightBringer. You don't need to worry about Unbroken if you last at least 9 minutes. Getting chased for a long time or winning (long) chases is pretty much bonus points to me and players similar to me.

Again, the only way to depip, it seems, is to be camped or left for dead by your team— forces outside of the player's skill that is an unfortunate factor in the current system. I'm really not sure how to go about negating this factor. Maybe make rewards for ranking up (as killer) so they are perhaps pressured a little to not camp, or to unhook safely, instead of a "congrats, this was your rank, now you're back here! Do it again "?