[No Mither Rework] You judge.

To be honest this is a much better buff not a nerf. Barley anyone uses No Mither because it doesn't give you much benefits. If a killer sees you running No Mither, their not going to leave you on the ground. Plus your one hit all the time. So if you mess up, your dead. The only benefit to No mither is the no bleeding effect. Which this buff/rework would be focusing on. The instantly recover effect is a little...weird. Does this effect Unbreakable?

@CL4P_TRAP_ER said:
Original: You are affected by the Broken Status Effect for the duration of the Trial. Your thick blood coagulates practically instantly.

• You don't leave pools of Blood.
• Grunts of pain caused by injuries are reduced by 0/25/50 % at any time.
• Grants the ability to fully recover from the Dying State.

Rework: You no longer can receive hemorrhaging and bleed 50% / 75% / 100% less while injured.
You can also instantly recover from the dying state by pressing the action button while in the dying state. However, you will receive the Broken status effect for the rest of the trial. This effect can only be used once per trial.

This idea could be interesting.

No Mither is fine as it currently is. It's simply hard mode, no need for adjustments.

The only thing the devs could add was that this perk grants you bonus bloodpoints.

@CL4P_TRAP_ER said:

@Jim_Halpert said:

@NoShinyPony said:
No Mither is fine as it currently is. It's simply hard mode, no need for adjustments.

The only thing the devs could add was that this perk grants you bonus bloodpoints.

Yeah, but that's the thing about No Mither. A perk is not suppose to make the game harder. A perk is suppose to help you win. This would be a WAY better concept.

I have to agree. Perks are suppose to be benefits not handicaps. I could understand more bloodpoints for being broken but the no bleeding and recovery part are the most important parts about this perk.

No Mither was designed to be hard mode, not to help you win. If you ask for buffing No Mither it's like asking to make a game's hard mode easier.

If you don't like hard mode, don't play it. Don't make hard mode easier.

The only thing that would make sense was giving additional bloodpoints as a reward.

To be honest I like it as it is as surviving gets easy/boring sometimes. If anything have it give a BP or gen repair buff.

@Navydivea said:
To be honest I like it as it is as surviving gets easy/boring sometimes.

Exactly. No need for a buff.

@Navydivea said:
If anything have it give a BP or gen repair buff.

Gen repair buff would be too strong but I agree on the BP bonus. It's not gameplay-relevant but it rewards the survivor for playing hard mode.

@TheEdgeGamer said:

@NoShinyPony said:

But No Mither is different. This perk was designed to be hard mode. It's not supposed to help you win.

Perks that make it harder are at least suppose to give you benefits.

The benefit for hard mode should be bonus bloodpoints.

I feel like maybe they should leave No Mither as it is for people that want to run Hard Mode builds or Sabo Builds but they should add a new perk on the next survivor that removes blood trails cause its really upsetting when you try to play stealth but cant counter your own bleeding without ######### yourself over with No Mither.

@TAG said:
Consider the following scenario:

A player being chased eventually gets hit twice and downed, uses Decisive Strike to break free, heals up with Anti-Hemorrhaging Syringe or Styptic Agent, runs away, eventually gets hit twice and downed, uses your No Mither perk to get back up, runs away, is hit again and downed, then is picked up and finally (hopefully) hooked.

Yeah but wouldn't the survivor be broken afterwards AND not have decisive strike AND not have a instant-heal. Same thing would happen if they were still running decisive strike, instant-heal AND adrenaline or a flashlight save or a body block hook. No matter what you'll have to deal with situations like that. In this situation, they'd be broken afterwards. Either way, No Mither does need to be reworked. It sucks right now.

@TAG said:

Right, but consider how much time could potentially be wasted at the start by one Survivor without any help at all or without having to wait until the last gen is about to be finished.

It's true they'd waste the killer's time, but that's what all decisive strike players do. Grab the killers attention and loop them. Once they're down they can decisive strike and run away. Here, they'd be broken for the rest of the game. Remember when they were going to do that with decisive strike? Plus, if you down someone and then they get up right in front of you, pallet or window, you can easily catch up and one hit them. And they screw themselves when they do this.

@TAG said:

I'm saying that their power in wasting the Killer's time is increased a decent bit when their effective hit points (even if only for the first hook) go up from four to five.

Yes but it'd be easier to down them, because they're broken.

@CL4P_TRAP_ER said:
The main part of this perk I want to focus on is the anti-bleeding part of it. I added the insta-up so No Mither could still get you up. How about you can use the insta up action once your recovery progress is at 25%?

Rework: You no longer can receive hemorrhaging and bleed 50% / 75% / 100% less while injured.
You can also instantly recover from the dying state by pressing the action button when recovered to 25% in the dying state. However, you will receive the Broken status effect for the rest of the trial. This effect can only be used once per trial

I'd be ok with this. It'd still be annoying to use because killers don't usually leave people on the ground but in this case it'd be ok. I'd run Unbreakable, Tenacity and this No Mither so I'd have a better chance. Better than No mither now.

TheEdgeGamer said:

@TAG said:

I'm saying that their power in wasting the Killer's time is increased a decent bit when their effective hit points (even if only for the first hook) go up from four to five.

Yes but it'd be easier to down them, because they're broken.

Yes, but by then you've already hit them enough times that under typical circumstances, they'd be one hit away from (most likely) dying assuming they were able to heal up after every unhook.  In total, you'd have to hit them seven times to knock them oit of the game (eight if they happen to hit Adrenaline at the right time), except five of those times are just to get the first hook.

And all this is assuming you just tunnel the hell out of them until they die.  Suppose you spend 5 hits going for one person, hook them, and then go after someone else.  That was 2.5 hooks' worth of hits just to get one actual hook.  The amount of effort you spent to start your momentum was 250% the time it would have taken under normal circumstances.

@CL4P_TRAP_ER said:

@Damon22441 said:
This would make it OP. So many times you stun the killer with a pallet and get downed, and with this you can just continue the chase after? No. No instant ups from Dying State.

You would only get one insta up. And after using the insta up you become Broken through out the trial so it's a double edged sword like Deliverance but for the rest of the trial. The anti-bleeding is the major perk of this idea. It sucks that you have to be Broken in order not to bleed. It makes the no bleeding part of the perk not important and it should be.

Yes, bleed negation is a good perk idea, but being able to instant revive is absolutely broken.

@TAG said:
Consider the following scenario:

A player being chased eventually gets hit twice and downed, uses Decisive Strike to break free, heals up with Anti-Hemorrhaging Syringe or Styptic Agent, runs away, eventually gets hit twice and downed, uses your No Mither perk to get back up, runs away, is hit again and downed, then is picked up and finally (hopefully) hooked.

And then afterwards they had Deliverance and safe unhooked previously. Holy lord, the minutes lost to one person being nigh unkillable. 3/4 gens for two hooks. Sprint Burst/Dead Hard, too, if the killer is angrily camping them, buys even more time.

@ThePizzaGuy said:

It's true they'd waste the killer's time, but that's what all decisive strike players do. Grab the killers attention and loop them. Once they're down they can decisive strike and run away. Here, they'd be broken for the rest of the game. Remember when they were going to do that with decisive strike? Plus, if you down someone and then they get up right in front of you, pallet or window, you can easily catch up and one hit them. And they screw themselves when they do this.

They only "screw themselves" if they are dumb and just pop right up with no plan. Getting downed ends Bloodlust, not to mention if they use it as the killer is on top of them under a pallet you get the free stun as well. This only doesn't apply to unloopables, like Nurse and Legion, before the Exit Gates are open.

Yeah but wouldn't the survivor be broken afterwards AND not have decisive strike AND not have a instant-heal. Same thing would happen if they were still running decisive strike, instant-heal AND adrenaline or a flashlight save or a body block hook. No matter what you'll have to deal with situations like that. In this situation, they'd be broken afterwards. Either way, No Mither does need to be reworked. It sucks right now.

The point of DS and Styptics are to be used TO escape, not horde them the whole match. If it's used at all it fulfilled its purpose, so who cares if you no longer have it available to you?
"Same thing would happen if they were still running decisive strike, instant-heal AND adrenaline or a flashlight save or a body block hook. No matter what you'll have to deal with situations like that." Yeah, now imagine having the added ability of picking yourself up. You literally just made an argument against this perk idea.

My question with the current No Mither is why you have to start the trial already injured.

I actually like the idea. Though I don't think the survivor should be completely immune to bleeding at rank 3. Nor should the survivor be immune to hemorrhage. But I'm on board with the part about picking yourself off the ground at the cost of being broken for the remainder of the game.