Let's have an actual discussion about Nurse

Which, again, is why the devs should consider showing MMR in the postgame screen. Sure, I have a ridiculous pub win rate on Nurse. But survivors have also managed a total of three (3) gens over my last two Pyramid Head games combined. Better killers are going to win the vast majority of the time. And top killer players are going to especially stomp when role population imbalances cause matchmaking to cast a wide net.

What I think happens a bit with Nurse: the type of player who wants to be a top tier player and really grind the role is going to go for the strongest character. Those players will still have a similar win rate if you take Nurse out of the equation.

I'd be fine with nurse staying the same ( i actually listened to nurse mains on this one because i was calling for a rework before) but her synergy with oppressive addons and perks needs to be removed

no range no recharge no starstruck no make your choice make it so the skillful plays on the survivor side actually matter and can't be ignored by addons that make a missplay by the nurse or good plays by the survivor mean little

basekit nurse can be fun to go against without all this bs (same goes for blight but a bit less)

You are not special. You are playing a killer that has been out for years. You are not enlightening people on some secret methods for how to go against Nurse.

Everyone already knows.

It's so amazingly dishonest to say that people just don't want to learn how to face nurse. Of all the lies you nurse mains tell to keep your OP toy, this one is the most frustrating.

Why even lie? It doesn't make sense. Just admit that nurse is way overtuned, or be quiet. Anything else is just making yourself look foolish...

SWF is broken. Everyone admits it. Trying to remove good killers so we have no chance at high levels will only aggravate the shortage of killer players. Also please stop saying Spirit is fine. Nobody plays her seriously anymore. Not even Gann.

In fact, the funny thing is that every time we ask the players who cry because "The bad nurse is OP" to show videos showing their gameplay against her ... strangely ... there is no one left 😁I don't know, to believe some, the fact that the nurse is OP is an interstellar evidence ... well then, it must be super simple to prove it, right? Well then, what are they waiting for?

"what i have learned from these discussions is that the 4-5 nurse mains on this forum will try in every way possible to defend this stupid killer and her addons writing essays on unrealistic ways for casual pub survivors to counter a killer that ignores the only resources they have to win the game."

Reading this, how can we not help thinking that you have never played as a nurse on a regular basis, and that you will never show us videos of you facing a nurse either...

"basekit nurse can be fun to go against without all this bs"

Here we go ... actually, what you want is to be able to quietly Hold W with an asthmatic nurse in tow, and laugh in your corner because "Oh my god, I'm so god, the naughty nurse can't catch me."

Are you kidding? The game hasn't waited for you to start and evolve.

Spirit used to be a fun killer with some nice mind games. (Although if I loved versing her, I didn't like playing her very much). She had one or two busted add-ons (that should have been touched) and survivors were forced to mind-game and sometimes take a gamble.

Now she is still blind while phasing but survivors knows what she is doing. Surprise : she doesn't appear anymore which is as well because there is no fun versing her anymore either.

I don't think it would be good to nerf Nurse nowadays. I think the game needs to go through massive changes before the only viable killer gets nerfed. SWF, bad map design, gen speeds, and broken survivor perks must be addressed first to make every (or at least most of) killer viable at the highest level.

I do agree that Nurse is levels above every other killer for her ability to ignore basic functions of the game, but it is just that killers, in general, are weak. When the game finally becomes balanced, I would pretty much be happy with a Nurse nerf as I do think that her ability is quite unhealthy for the game. For the nerf, you could either make her Matchbox add-on or her Torn Bookmark add-on (the original one, where you were unable to blink through solid objects) basekit.

Your point exactly proves why she should not be on the game the way she is. She is outdated and was only fix for when there was infinities and pallets everywhere. Vut now she is not needed anymore as those things are gone and killers getting buffs and her last counters taken away dh and ds.

Range addons significantly mitigate nurse's primary counterplay.

Nurse's attacks being special attacks is bad because she is one of the best chaser's in the game and letting perks that are limited to basic attacks function on her leave them in a limbo where they are OP on her and okay on other basic attack killers, or balanced on her and bad on others.

Or, don't touch the nurse, and up the other killers very slightly 😉

Or maybe some people just like to play it ... it's amazing how far we go in terms of selfishness ...

Shrodingers' Nurse:

- The Nurse player is good at Nurse.

Or

- The Nurse player sucks at playing Nurse.

There is no in-between.

Nurse is fine. She's either god tier or absolute garbage. She's necessary, unless you want survivors winning every game. She's the only killer who gives good survivors a run for their money, because she ignores their defenses, which no other killer can do to the same extent. Unless they're planning on majorly buffing every killer to compensate for a Nurse Nerf, she should be left as is.

She forces survivors to play differently, which is good for the game, even if survivor mains with their numerous second chance perks think otherwise. No, looping and holding W key should not win you every match, sorry. Nurse punishes survivors who get too cocky thinking they're gods, leveling the playing field. Plus, she already was nerfed. So she's fine. Adapt, and learn to play against her.

Just putting words in my mouth and misrepresenting what I said. And that gets several upvotes. These nurse mains will even upvote nonsense lol.

Maybe you didn't even read what you linked. The person who made that post about the "tournament" also said nurse is OP. So...ok.

The "buff solos to SWF and low tier killers to nurse level" is a terrible, terrible idea, I don't know why it gains any traction here. A game where each side is OP is not fun.

I have linked my twitch account multiple times here. It is always greeted the same way. The nurse players realize I am much more experienced than them and suddenly change the topic. The only time I have seen nurse gameplay from one of the nurse main defenders it was a disaster, a player who could barely move their camera to look behind them, and yet they still want to give much more experienced players advice on how to play well.

I never ever said that only good players play on the Korean server. Why must you twist my words to feel like you are making a point? Doesn't that mean your reasoning is super weak..?

The last three paragraphs are all nonsense, so I won't speak to them, but you seem to have read my prior comments. When have I ever said her basekit, the way she blinks should be nerfed?

I believe that:

Map addons need to be disabled for both sides. Too often map offerings are used by both sides to tilt the game way in their favor.

Many maps need to be shrunk

Blight's several busted addons need a rework

Nurse's busted addons need a huge nerf. Her attacks should not trigger perks. If this is not enough of a nerf, after some testing, she shouldn't have her power at the very start of a match, like dredge. Maybe give her 4.4 speed in that time.

SWF should be shown as a group in the lobby for the killer

Healthy grabs on unhooks should be removed from the game. This only promotes skilless face camping

While still keeping their randomness, all maps need to have their resources better situated. Sometimes the same map can be super killer sided, sometimes super survivor sided, just based on how things spawn and connect to each other.

Survivor perks should not be stackable.

The only one of my ideas that gets any backlash is the nurse one. The only possible reasoning is that these nurse mains don’t want to lose their busted toy. Too many of you don't realize how horrid playing as solo queue and a low tier killer on a strong survivor map is.

I have been consistent in always saying the same opinions as above.

Bringing up kill rate in regards to nurse shows you have no idea what you are talking about.

No, it was just nonsensical rambling.

Nurse player says nurse is fine. Okay. Gotcha, bud.

Slightly won't make the cut for killers like Trickster and Myers. It may be enough for Blight, Artist, and Dredge but everything under the A tier needs much more than slight buffs.

If you can't recognize how good a player is, what makes you think you can speak on game balance...

Please don't parrot the other nurse main without even watching the "2 year old video... (?)" It was a 5 gen 4k, only missed blinks due to survivor exhaustion perks.

I've shown my gameplay. If you want to lie about it to make yourself feel better, go ahead. I suggest you watch some more of it, though. You might learn how to turn your camera correctly.

If you really have time to waste, the name it provided was "omansonion".

edit: @foxsansbox weird, it was supposed to be a reply.

I don’t think I talked about it here, but it is an idea I have for a long time 😊

I think most people rarely ever experience a basekit Nurse, they don't realize that she's not all that strong when she doesn't have ranged addons. Her ranged addons are 100% a problem, they need to be completely removed because they are too strong. The next most popular would obviously be green recharge/purple ranged, and again, I don't think green recharge should be nerfed on account of ranged addons.

Second would be recharge addons. I think recharge addons bring her somewhat closer to her old basekit, and I think that you also rarely encounter a double recharge Nurse, who will play more aggressive/play more risky in a chase because of them. Double recharge I think is probably fine, however I would also nerf them and simply give her a 30% recharge as basekit, or just the same amount as green/yellow recharge, depending on what the addon nerfs look like.

I think a lot of people who hate Nurse, or people who play her against bad survivors, have this opinion that she's super easy and that anyone can do it despite the fact she was the least picked killer with the lowest killrates even before her nerfs. It's easier to further push the nerf narrative if a bunch of people attempt to convince everyone she's easy. I think like many people most people simply are bad at this game and never learned to properly juke at specific places or in general, to the point you can last a little bit in a chase against a Nurse while your teammates to gens.

At the end of the day I'd like to see some statistics for killers like Nurse and Blight if we were seriously considering nerfs, because I'm of the same opinion with Blight, in that a basekit Blight is actually not that bad to deal with either.

As one final point I will say Nurse should not be able to every use any perk that allows her to one shot a survivor with a blink attack.