Same could be said about survivors though. Killers were losing to survivors that were carried by their strong perks before and had no chance of countering them. Survivors that didnt even know how to look behind them while running got out of the gates due to what... DS and by pressing E. Yeah game should be balanced so stronger player win, and perks shouldnt carry someone through the gates or get them 4k.

Game isnt unplayable for survivors and killers didnt get buffed to high heavens. The baseline buffs killers got are barely noticable when they kick a pallet. What happened is that many survivors used the same 4 perks throughout many years and now that something happened everyone fell on their knees.

Many have learned new ways to play and are doing excellent while many are still on their knees and Dcing while something doesnt go their way.

I had my couple of weeks of chaos learning to adapt without my broken DS and DH and i died...a lot all the time even. Now ive adjusted and i do fine. I still die to my own mistakes or maybe the killer camped / tunneled or simply was just damn good player. I don't need to escape every single game to have fun or to feel superior.

You forgot one. Survivors who do nothing all match because they need to do a stupid tome challenge like bring only Self-Care and escape so they tend hide all match. Or hide with 10m of killer for 120 seconds so they arent helping the team do anything. Where Killer challenges are the natural flow of their game for example put 6 survivors in the dying state, hook the obsession 3 times in one match. Where with survivors we get challengs like stun the killer 4 times in one match so we have to camp pallets or not work on gens and hunt down the killer just to get a chase.

I definitely agree in the sense that players on both sides should feel like they're losing to an opponent, not a loadout. That feeling is mostly cleaned up on the survivor end, but it's really bad on the killer side now. I've adjusted and still escape most of my games, but it still feels bad when half of my losses feel like they're against a loadout and not the player.

I agree in the sense that gen regression builds have come very oppressive, especially against certain killers - and equally, 39% escape rate seems pretty low/unbalanced.

However, isn't it true that both sides are essentially carried by perks? The gen regression meta has become so popular as it gives the killer passive map pressure, which can be very difficult to achieve without these perks on certain maps (Red Forest, RPD, and Crotus Prenn) and if you're against a SWF/co-ordinated team. This doesn't necessarily mean a killer 'lacks skill', it's because sometimes they've already lost the match before they've even loaded in due to the above factors.

DH isn't the only perk that carries survivors; DS, exhaustion perks in general, OTR, COH, etc are all equal culprits. In fact, I'd argue that most survivors would go down a lot quicker if it wasnt for DH, SB, Lithe, etc - exhaustion perks carry most survivor chases. Of course, nothing wrong with using any of these perks, but both sides have a meta which they use as it gives them the best chance at winning.

Solo que is 100% escape according to killer mains

Solo most of the time.

Yeah, the big one I have an issue with is CoB/Overcharge/Eruption. It's a complete auto-pilot build IMO. Or killers like Legion that often win by virtue of making the game take forever

So the devs previously stated this is what they wanted and now people are surprised it has happened? Perhaps pay better attention to dev posts and diaries. Also, as always, statistics like this are worthless as are statistics in general when read by laymen and not experts who understand why the statistics exist.

People forget the most important thing about this game. It is an ASYMMETRICAL multiplayer horror game. the stats are always going to be skewed in favor of the "stronger" side. This being the killers.

The problem is the game gets boring instead, because a killer camping doesnt make for a thrilling game, no matter what kill rate he ends up with.

Also, now the matches are derailed so early, it becomes pointless to play some matches after 3 minutes.

Most of my losses do seem to come from people giving up early/after they have been hooked 2x/literally after they spawn/etc, so I definitely agree with your derailment statement.

I try not to let it bother me - Queues are instant and I cannot control the actions of other people. I just do what I can and queue up again.

Not to disagree/look like a call-out again...

I think the game is somewhat decently balanced vs SWF as it is, currently.

The issue that I see with it is that in order to beat a good SWF you need to:

1) Identify VERY early on in the game that they are a co-ordinated SWF - this is hidden information until something happens to reveal it.

2) As a result of #1, it's safer to assume EVERY group on your high/decent MMR killers is SWF.

3) Play in such a way that they HAVE to react to you/feed into you, which generally involves taking advantage of several of the most unfun aspects of the game ('cheap' perks/tunnel/camp/slug/fake leave hook to pull from gens/etc as much as possible). I don't personally take issue with the assumed comms or whatever, because they're going to have a far worse time in the game then I am, even if they win.

Weaker SWF break apart when I get the upper hand, but chill/comepetent SWF will play consistently well/try to alleviate my scummy tactics, all the while still performing well in chase and cranking out gens. Sometimes the whole game just comes down to/revolves around the positioning of the first hook, but I guess that's the reality of it when you're facing a Lunchables squad.

Edit - I also don't really care about losing to such groups, so long as I can make them work for it/put them on notice.

I agree with most of this.

I heal under hook at times with Botany or WMI depending on how I see the other people react to it/killer position.

Because they want to get better?

Same as all the other threads, I suppose ;3

Yee

I'm sure they take stuff from here, but this is just a drop in the bucket if you think about all the feedback sources they are registered on - they're most likely bombarded with thousands of suggestions/complaints/reports on all of them.

The forums are also, in no way, representative of a majority of the player base.

I'd imagine sometimes the ideas/opinions here mesh with universal consensus and/or dev data, and sometimes the stuff here is out to lunch.

IE - People say the game is dying all the time (delusional). Any game that has a consistent player count of 20k+ on Steam (just using this as it is viewable/direct numbers - game is also in top metrics on all platforms [dunno about switch]) means hundreds of thousands/million+ people are logging in daily. People seem to think that if it says 40,000 one moment and 35,000 the next, that 5000 people have just logged off. In reality, 30k of the previous users could have cycled out and been replaced by 30k new logins.

So what your saying is that they bp bonus they added to bring people to the side that needs more people should always be on survivor. So why didn't they just make it a permanent survivor bonus? Because that was never the intent, it was never intended to be on survivor the entire time since its inception. All this shows is that people that play survivor are leaving the game or playing as killer because killer is so much easier to win on now. It takes absolutley no skill for killer when you are facing soloq at all. I have yet to lose a match as killer when its clear im facing against soloq. The only time i lose a match is when its blatantly obvious its SWF. Which makes for highly unbalanced game play.

I don't think I ever said anything about switching anything back. The devs need to come up with a way to buff soloq without buffing SWF. If they would release a squad and solo mode they could easialy do this. Squad mode could have zero buffs while solo would have some sort of buff to level the playing field.