Killers with Joke powers

Why are you using it at a rock loop, trickster weakest loop

Trickster's main event is not weak. You shouldn't underestimate the damage you can deal with it. The main problem is that you have to micro manage exactly when you want to charge and use it. Charge it too early and it might run out without you getting any use out of it. Use it at the wrong loop or tile and you can't really hit a survivor. But if done right, there is pretty much no chance the survivor gets out of this situation without at least getting injured. Have you ever seen what main event does in basement scenarios? It's incredible how strong it gets.

Well, we have insta down killers, m1 killers and then there is Nemesus. Who needs 3 hits to down someone with his power.

Tricksters Main Event is very situational but far from useless

It shines best when Survivors are out in the open or at short wall loops, as its pretty much impossible for a Survivor to avoid all knives, but of course this is very situational and you wont be able to pull it off every time, or and depending on the map not at all

what is more consistent is turning a corner, activating Main Event and getting as many Knife hits as possible, yes youre only activating it for a few seconds (if even that) but youre still putting progress towards max laceration at pretty much no cost.

Trickster's power isn't a 'joke' providing you recognise when it is effective to use. That's the point I am trying to make. It's not automatically redundant just because it gets denied by a rock loop. It's strong to the point that for balancing purposes you are unable to save his main event exactly for when you would get max value out of it through natural gameplay. It really isn't a 'joke' because the survivors can counter it. You need to use it when survivors are in a position where it cannot be easily countered eg: where little cover is available, around a low cover loop, during an unhook, while someone is running to a window. Then it becomes one of the most lethal ranged attacks in the game. It is map dependent to an extent though as how useful it can be.

When I say 99'd, I mean keeping your power bar one knife hit off of being able to activate main event. You can't save a main event for later once you reach the threshold that allows it to be activated. You have a short window to use it and if you don't you have to build the power back up again. So by keeping the power level just under that threshold you can in theory have a main event ready for whenever it would be most effective (I don't know if you've ever played Myers but he is the closest example - you can '99' your stalk bar to have a Tier 3 ready, then pop it when you are close enough to a survivor to guarantee the insta-down). I say this is a bad idea because a Trickster not using his knives on the chance that he will be able to pop main event soon to make up for it means you're handicapping yourself for an unreliable payoff. It isn't worth it.

As for other killers, I guess Pig. Her RBT power is RNG dependent as to whether it can make a survivor's head explode or do practically nothing in terms of keeping them off gens in moments where you desperately need pressure. It's the only power in the game to my knowledge where you need to down a survivor to get any use out of it at all, and any remaining traps not yet used become useless once the doors are powered. It's a dice throw, and coupled with her poor Ambush ability it's no wonder why she's also considered one of the worst killers in the game.

The problem is, Trickster is a 110% killer that charges main event by simply using his damaging ability. That leaves you with little room to control when to charge it, and after it charges it's gone after 30 seconds and there is a good chance you will be in no good position to use it during this time.

Main event is so strong in open field you can down 3 Survivors easily, I know because Ive done it, do you want to press a button and get a guaranteed down in every single situation?. And Wraith isnt weak in the slightest, the burn mechanic can be easily bypassed by straffing or zigzaging.

This thread sounds like a "git gud" problem to me.

I've always said that Trickster's main event should make him 115% and able to vault windows. Otherwise, literally what the OP explains happens. Survivors go behind 1 rock or wall, and you can never hit them again as long as you're in main event.

Freddy. Teleport is helpful, but that's all about it.

That is exactly what I meant. You sometimes need to play M1 killer just so you don't waste Main Event. Other times you need to throw knives to charge it even though you could go for an easy M1. But having Main Event at the ready for the right moment means you shred through health states.

Of course not, I know the skill has a very limited use and you can spend a few games in a row without being able to use it but when it has the right conditions it can down several people in seconds with almost zero effort and nothing they can do against it, if it was to be made much less situational it would need to be nerfed too because right now whenever I get something out of it is almost always a game winner.

But of course people want the Main Event as it is now but running at 115% speed, vaulting pallets, windows and shooting lasers out of their eyes, which is absurd, especially for a skill that charges passively without much hassle.

No, instead of whatever that hyperbole you made up is, maybe they'd rather have it more effective and less limited with a tradeoff to something like the duration? Why do you assume people want it to become god mode when all they want is for it to be functional outside of all of the planets lining up or a solstace or two? It needs more versatility and it can lose duration to compensate for that and people would still be much happier with that than its current form.

You're taking ideas from multiple people and conflating them together, then assuming none of them are willing to compromise in exchange. You're strawmanning everyone who disagrees with you. Its not productive and all you're doing is working yourself up. Also you're not giving enough credit to what "duration" means, it could literally mean that getting a down instantly ends it so that it can't be used to snowball, but it could be used both to spread pressure to multiple people if grouped, while still being able to secure a single down in a reasonable manner.

You literally just started complaining about every extreme thing people want and lumped them all together, while offering no room for nuance, separation, nor compromise from any of them. Thats strawmanning, you're misrepresenting the other position to try to make your own look more sane.

Also you don't have to directly offer a negative to offer a positive. Nobody has stated they weren't willing to compromise in a manner like i discussed, or any other tradeoffs that are fair and reasonable. The fact you just tried to project any of that onto me means you're not trying to actually get any discussion from this though, so i guess further discussion is pointless.

Didn't think of that. Nerf Freddy.

Did you ever stop and think they might have just been trying to find ways to make the power less worthless than it currently is and throwing out ideas? The fact you keep forcing their unwillingness to negotiate on them, even now, was exactly my point. Collaboration requires cooperation, and all you have been doing is being argumentative, and you have refused to hold yourself to the same standards by not trying to offer similar concessions that could make decent middle grounds. This is getting pretty off topic so I'm not going to continue that conversation.

You assumed I didnt offer any sugestion because I didnt want to cooperate while in reality its because I dont really know what kind of change could get the ability to make it go in a direction like more versatile but less powerful, I just stated I didnt like tampering with the timer because I usually dont like that kind of solutions, especially to stuff with a very broad spectrum of power. Thats also the reason I didnt offer any downgrade either but I did express my refusal to have egregious buffs without making it weaker.

I think Main event should be changed? not really, its not even Trickster power, IMO its jut a gimmick slapped to him for reasons but nowhere in any of my posts I stated it should stay the way it is nor the devs shouldnt try to find another use for it if they want or find the time altough there are more pressing matters in the game than a secondary skill. And again, its not as useless as OP thinks.

P.D. its not our job to offer solutions or suggestions, we are costumers, our job is to complain about stuff we think should be better, we can have an idea or a suggestion on how we want something fixed or give eachother tips about perceived problems but ultimately its the people selling the service the ones that have to come with a solution, thats why we are paying them for, the "if you complain come with a solution too" motto goes invalid once someone is getting paid to fix the problem.

Tricksters normal knives always ######### me up, i think they are really strong (goes for most ranged killers imo.) but yeah, the main event is really rare and kinda sucks, i dont remember being ever hit by it, and i have only had it activated once when i was playing him.

I think Trapper should have more traps on hand as base kit, he waste way too much time to go across the map for traps, while 3 gens can be done in less than 50secs.

Played against one yesterday and i actually felt sorry for him, even when he used the addon that put us in the dying state when getting free from a trap on your own, he got like 5 people trapped the whole match and prob only 1-2 hooks.

Trapper actually used to only have 1 trap basekit. I know he might not seem amazing now, but he actually used to be a lot worse, and not even that long ago. I still remember people saboing his traps to just outright disable them and he would have to wait for them to respawn.

I actually think his power is in a pretty good spot at the moment, but he's like hag in that he suffers tremendously for how much the first few minutes of the match matter in terms of pressure. He basically has to set up around a 3gen most of the time or he just doesn't get gen pressure.