De-Pip Squad lose tournament

Mc_Harty said:

@weirdkid5 said:
Marth was on top of the hatch. Thus he found it first. If the Survivor found it first, he should have gotten on top of it. Or perhaps the rules should have stated and been clear in the first place. They got a rematch once, but not for the game that was stolen from them 

Rules should have been clearer, but you clearly see the [BAD WORD] Claudette 2 meters away from the hatch.

Uh, items in chest are allowed. Which means you can find a Dull Key and use the hatch you numbskull LOL you asked before did I read what you said, but do you even play the game? Did you even read the rules yourself? Marth being on top of the hatch is a safe play in the event they found a key. Jeez lmao

Did she have a key?

Lets rewatch that.

https://clips.twitch.tv/AbrasiveAcceptableAlbatrossFloof

No she had a toolbox.

So ######### are you talking about?

BHVR is acknowledging the possible mishap, so they are formally investigating it. I didnt state Spud had an opinion  I stated the fact BHVR is actually investigating this lmao

Investigating in shady ######### does not automatically mean they are guilty in said shady #########.

The tournament organizer are whores for views. What else is new?

And no they aren't my favorite. I don't even like Marth as a streamer nor as a person. Sorry that you don't think it's possible for someone to simple believe something is amiss without needing to throw personal bias into the situation.

I never said they were your favorite idiot.

Defensive much?

Keep doing you kid."

Is your memory that bad? Seriously? I knew you only responded to me in order to have pointless arguments with me but you cant even remember what you said anymore lol good work being part of one of those annoying members this game attracts.

Mc_Harty said:

This is coming from the guy that cannot accept the fact that his favorite team lost, because Marth ######### up.

Keep doing you kid.

Okay, so this is just 4 or 5 people going back and forth. I wondered how this subject could draw so much attention.

And what's up with this Marth dude...he has like 30K subs combined between Twitch and YT. Not criticizing....it's more than I have (0)...just seems entry level.

@Mc_Harty said:

@12345 said:
Wait for BHVR to say if he won or not.

Second:

You are saying that Marth should have hitted her before or waited for the hatch to open? Is that what you are saying?

So considering he was on second blink an insta hit was dangerous as he didn't know exactly how much time was left before the hatch was going to open.

So you are basically saying that the correct play he should have made was to wait for the hatch to open and then hit?

I am genuinely curious on the logic behind the guys who say he didn't won following the rules.

If Marth had waited then it'll be a hatch stand off.

Ok so in your mind the only play he could make there was waiting.

Congratulations THAT IS THE DEFINITION OF A STANDOFF AND OH SURPRISE HE WAS ON AN HATCH:

HATCH

STANDOFF

HATCH STANDOFF.

Congrats dude you did it.

This is for you in case you have more doubts:

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/standoff

Let me also make a CLAPCLAPCLAP for you.

@Mc_Harty said:

@12345 said:
Ok so in your mind the only play he could make there was waiting.

Congratulations THAT IS THE DEFINITION OF A STANDOFF AND OH SURPRISE HE WAS ON AN HATCH:

HATCH

STANDOFF

HATCH STANDOFF.

Congrats dude you did it.

Are you an idiot?

I stated that its not a hatch standoff if the hatch was closed.

If Marth had waited for the hatch to be open then its a hatch stand off. He didn't.

If Marth had hit the survivor immediately he would have time to pick her up and killed her. He didn't.

There were two things Marth could have done but he didn't [BAD WORD] do it. He misplayed.

No it seems you are instead as you said that the only thing he could do was waiting and you are keep saying that.

What you are failing to understand even with your last post is that by saying that the only thing he should have done was waiting is exactly the definition of a standoff. So yes. You are basically saying

"It was not an Hatch Standoff, it was a standoff on the hatch"

And then you ask the only guy who is trying to help you in seeing the flaws of your logic if he is an idiot... not cool.

Trying to hit instantly wasn't the play there as he didn't know exactly when the hatch was going to open.

Sorry buddy your logic got busted. Saying:

"It was not a standoff he should have waited more"

Simply does not work. If he already need to wait he is already in a standoff situation.

Wait I give it to you once again hoping for you to read it:

https://dictionary.cambridge.org/dictionary/english/standoff

@Mc_Harty said:

@12345 said:
No your fault for not reading.
I already told you that Marth didn't need that as he could have simply waited and get the point by the rules that was a safer play.

We are not talking in circles you are to try and escape from the fact that your logic got completly busted by reality and facts.

Your logic is the Hatch Standoff occurs before the Hatch is open.

I'm saying if Marth waited for the Hatch to open then its a Hatch Standoff.

You stated Marth didn't have enough time.

Majority of the people in this thread including me disagree with you.

Quit your ######### sir.

You somehow still failed to understand:

First of all don't put words in my mouth, I said:

"Trying to hit instantly wasn't the play there as he didn't know exactly when the hatch was going to open."

So I am not saying that he 100% he didn't have time.

I am saying a different thing that you are failing to understand so let me explain it to you again.

THE TIMEFRAME WHERE THE SURVIVOR WIN THAT TRADE WHEN THE KILLER GOT TO THE HATCH FIRST DID NOT EXIST WITHIN THE RULES BEFORE TELLO CHANGED THEM.

If marth hit the survivor and grab him he got the point.
if marth hit the survivor and the survivor jump into the hatch he got the point nevertheless because he was in a standoff situation by definition of standoff and the rules stated that he had won.

That is why tello needed to edit the rule in a way to add a timeframe where the survivor win that trade "If the killer get first to the hatch but it is still closed".

@RemoveSWF said:

You already lost the game and now you're losing the public relations by being a bad sportsman. Your fans were already laughing at Marth for camping like a ######### against the Russian team because he knew they were too good for him.

So you're going to complain that Marth camped after the Russian team camped because...? Good job making yourself out to be a hypocrite lmao. I wonder who it is you have it out for?

@RemoveSWF said:

Everybody except you knows what a hatch standoff is.

If the hatch isn't open, there is no standoff because the survivor can't win. By your own admission, Marth had time to hit the survivor (and down him, and hook him) before the hatch was open. The standoff started AFTER Marth's epic fail. The rules state in the event of a hatch standoff, the person who arrived at the hatch first would be given the win. So survivors won.

I just explained how and when the standoff exists but still you are going off a meaningless definition that the hatch must already be open. It does not need to be open and I already explained why. The standoff exists when both players confront each other at the hatch, knowing it is the final option. Marth was at the hatch first when that confrontation happened. The Claudette was trying to remain hidden to avoid confrontation and only tried to contest the hatch afterward. So she lost the standoff.

Again if your only argument is "BUT IT NEEDS TO BE OPEN!!!!!" that is simply false and I have already proven how it is. There is no part of the rules that states it needs to be open and so the only definition for the hatch standoff if the logical one. Clearly that's not the side of "but its not open yet hurr durr".

If Space believed they made the right call then they would just explain it. But they are avoiding having a conversation about it completely. They changed the rules mid-game and they know it. There is no justifying an action that is, at best, telling the other player they lost because they chose the wrong interpretation of the rules.

Seems like a petty excuse to get at a team you dislike. Especially if they're going to just ignore the fact that this team should have been DQ'd based on the time limit rule for starting their match in the semi-finals. That rule is written very clearly and is stated that there will be no exceptions, but... At it turns out they made an exception and made no mention of the rule at all. Big shocker.

It is the final option if he makes it to be. Again if your best argument is -insert meaningless hypothetical situation here- then you do not have an argument. You can say 1 million things about how something could have happened. That does not de-legitimatize the play he made.

The timings are inconsistent in that the hatch may sometimes open the moment the Survivor crosses the threshold of the exit gates, or it may take some seconds to register that they have escaped to the end screen. Not much but it is a factor.

Kind of like how salty and spiteful you are? Lmao dude look at yourself and tell me who here is the guy who is biased. You do not even try to hide it.

And of course you are willing to let a team you favor/against a team you hate get away with breaking the rules. I am done speaking with you since you made it very clear you either hate Marth and the team or you are a fanboy of the team that won, again making you a hypocrite for bitching about "Depip fanboys". All you are doing now anyway is flaming because you know you lost the argument lol.

Have a nice day.

@ZombieGenesis said:
To me you have to consider the nature of a standoff. A standoff exists when two sides face off against each other with a consequence to be had if one blinks. If one side makes a wrong move the other side wins. With the hatch closed there is no win condition for the survivor. In fact, with the hatch closed there is no reason for the survivor to be at the hatch at all. If the survivor had crept out and sat on the closed hatch and Marth came up afterwards would Marth have just said "Oh, you got it. GG!" and not hit them, downed them, and hooked them? Considering he actually did hit them, a bit too late, says otherwise.

The survivor could not approach the hatch while it was closed because it would have led to them losing. Instead he approached the hatch as the other survivor was dying possibly to create a stand off and at least try for the escape. Thankfully for him Marth made a "game move" that gave him the victory.

The state of the hatch did not need to be specified because the nature of a standoff dictates what state it needs to be in for a standoff to actually exist.

Could things have been more clearly stated? Absolutely. Could Marth have not hit the survivor for reasons known only to him? Absolutely.

Wait just a second.

"If one side makes a wrong move the other side wins"

Eyyyyy that's just exactly what happened to Marth!

Still you somehow say he wasn't on a standoff situation? mmm?

@12345 Are you weirdkid5? xD

@thesuicidefox said:

@12345 said:

@thesuicidefox said:
Guys you need to realize that this is one of those "play the ball as it lies" moments (Happy Gilmore fans know what I mean).

The way the rules are set and the way the game played out are totally different things. Had the hatch opened and neither player moved, THEN the rule would take effect to end the standoff. But a standoff did not occur, Marth took a swing and the guy escaped. That is a mistake on Marth's part, what he SHOULD have done (knowing the rule as it was written) would be to not doing anything, wait for the hatch to open and a standoff to begin, then wait for the ref to make the call. If you "play by the rules as they are written" then you wait for the ref. Marth acted, and in acting gave opportunity for an escape, ending any standoff that may have even occurred. Standoff is basically a stalemate situation, where neither player can move without losing, but if one players moves that is them, according to the rules OF THE GAME, resigning their position. Much like if you got a stalemate in Chess but one player moved anyway. It gives the other guy the win, and once you moved you can't take it back.

The fact is what happened happened. The rule is there to determine a winning in case of a standoff, but not only did a standoff not actually occur (because the hatch wasn't open) but even if it did, Marth forfeited the right to call for a ref when he hit the guy.

Oh no please not again the "Hatch must be open for a standoff" argument that was already completly dismantled serveral times in this very thread.

Except it wasn't because if the hatch isn't open there isn't a standoff. And like I said even if there were a standoff, Marth basically forfeit when he took a swing. If he wanted to go by the rules as they were written he should have just done nothing, let a standoff officially commence, and wait for the ref to make a ruling.

You guys seem to ignore the basic logic that such a rule in in place to prevent the game from just going on indefinitely. It's not there to subvert what actually happens in the game otherwise. Hatch was closed when Marth got there, and stayed closed for long enough he could have downed the guy and picked him up before the hatch opened. Then when he hesitated, then swung, he ended the standoff because now a result can happen. You keep arguing that anything having to do with both players at the hatch is a standoff, it's not. It's only a standoff if the hatch is open and neither side is willing to act. And regardless, Marth acted, therefore he lost fair and square.

At this point it's best to ignore them in regard to the definition of a hatch standoff. They might aswell be saying, "fire is wet", or "the sky is on the ground". They may well be flat earthers tbh ¯_(ツ)_/¯

In the end, there's one thing that's absolutely unacceptable: the rules were changed after the match. You don't get to change the rules of a game after the game has started (or even after it has ended), especially in a way that changes the winner. That's what little kids do when they can't handle losing at a game they made up.