NOED BASEKIT

Wouldnt be nearly as impactful as you think

The strength in NOED comes from Survivors not knowing if a killer has it. If you make it basekit Survivors know what to expect every game, thus making it more like a secondary objective.

Im actually for this as long as they add better ways to communicate as Solo Q to bridge the gap more between them and SWF

If most Survivors expect a killer to have NOED, more totems would be cleansed and it wouldnt activate nearly as much. Also its not a very popular perk compared to a few years ago, since now killers have many more perks that are viable picks, making it even less picked.

Also why remove things from ranked? That just doesnt make ANY sense

Rank is supposed to be harder yes.. because everyone is on the same page and all trying their hardest to win... Not because you have base tools to help communicate being taken away from you.

Also the killer really aint at a disadvantage, even when talking at the top level its not as bad as people make it out to be

1. A majority of the community does not play in a 4-man SWF. A majority of matches have SoloQ, and a mix of Split SWFs (2-man; 3-man).
2. Base Kindred would literally not change SWF, since SWF can communicate when they are going for the save and such. This change would literally only affect SoloQ.
3. Seeing Generator progression would literally not change SWF, since SWF can coordinate what Generators are being worked on and how much progress they have. This change would literally only affect SoloQ.
4. "Survivors get 5 perks when you include basekit BT", Ive seen this argument a lot, but it literally ignores the 6.1.0 Patch that gave all Killers basekit Brutal Strength, PGTW, and STBFL, on top of reducing the Speed Burst you get from being injured.
5. "So NOED should become basekit for all killers after last Generator. This counters a lot of second chances and things like Adrenaline alone with instantly healing each other where as the killer can't secure one kill after the last gen." So then what would be the point in running Adrenaline, or hell, any Endgame Perk as Survivor? NOED and Terminus are literally designed to counter Endgame Perks, a single one completely shuts down all use they have. And Endgame Perks are fine for both sides, making either side have them as Basekit becomes problematic.
6. "How do I secure the kill with a fully healed Survivor that I have to chase and Killers hang around hooks on last Generator, this would promote less camping and tunneling during Endgame because the Killer will be more inclined to chase other Survivors." It literally doesnt matter what you change, people will camp and tunnel if they are winning or losing, if it's 1 Generator remaining or 5 Generators remaining, it literally doesnt matter.

Im not the one asking for basekit NOED

You are

That would be fun.

As well as Devour basekit (with restrictions, like hook different survivors).

Since you clearly dont understand what people are saying, let me break it down for you. I even formatted it to make is easier for you (wowie). I put a quote of what you said (correcting some grammar since some of it is borderline unreadable due to broken English) and below it are bullet points that explain things for you.

"I thought we were here to sacrifice Survivors, not give legitimate coordinated teams entitled escapes. The more information on HUD isnt the only thing being asked for."

• Killers are here to kill. Survivors are here to survive. The game has a balance between the two sides, you cant have Survivors being killed too much, otherwise Survivors would quit the game (and they are). You cant have Survivors escaping too much, otherwise Killers would quit the game (which they were prior to Patch 6.1.0). Since SoloQ is in literally the worst state it has ever been, they need help to perform better.

"Isnt there a thread saying slugging must be changed and the only way is to give survivors Unbreakable for basekit so not only can they pick themselves up on top of that you want an aura basekit."

• When did anyone in this thread ever mention wanting Unbreakable basekit? You are mentioning a completely different thread that has nothing to do with this thread. Another thing, is the thread you are mentioning is talking about Killers slugging all 4 Survivors to death to waste their time (BM), which you blatantly ignoring.
• The basekit aura reading argument does not buff SWFs, it only helps SoloQ, how hard is it to understand. If someone is a SWF, guess what... they can just call out where they are. Basekit aura reading does the exact same thing but help out SoloQ, which btw, SoloQ is a majority of the Survivor playerbase to begin with.

"The killer isnt allowed to have NOED as basekit? (I honestly cant even read the following sentence since it is broken English, no offense.)"

• Because the root of the issue is entirely based around Killers having awful Killer powers. Buff the weak Killers, tone down the strongest Killers, and you have a middle area where Killers are balanced in terms of their powers. How hard is it to understand this?

"Also survivors arent injured because there are multiple boons, what good is Terminus. You keep bringing up SoloQ but negate the fact the fact that SWF will be 85% stronger."

• HOW MANY TIMES DO I HAVE TO SAY THIS?!?! Aura reading perks as basekit will NOT buff SWF, because SWF already can communication information to begin with. That's what makes SWF so powerful in the first place, information, basekit information doesnt change a damn thing.
• Also, yet again, a majority of the playerbase for Survivor is SoloQ. You rarely face 4-man SWFs every match. I seriously dont get how people think that every match they lose is the result of SWF (actually, probably because Tru3Talent spouts this constantly, nvm, I do know).

"It's already stressful as Killer, why cant Killers have one thing that helps out."

• Wow, it's almost as if Patch 6.1.0 gave you several things to help out. You got basekit Brutal Strength, basekit PGTW, basekit STBFL, increase Generator repair times, and decreased Speed Bursts from injured Survivors. 5 WHOLE BASEKIT CHANGES TO KILLER, yet you ignore this.

"SoloQ is more of a Free For All, it's anyone's game, that's the randomness of SoloQ. Getting a perk basekit does not change how people will play and still does not ensure you escape."

• Survivor A, Survivor B, and Survivor C are working on generators. Survivor D goes down in a chase quickly. Nobody is using Kindred. After some time, all Survivors notice an unhook has yet to occur. Survivor A and Survivor B go to unhook Survivor D, with Survivor C being the only person to be on a generator. Survivor A realizes that Survivor B has just gone for an unhook and that all their time spent running to the hook was wasted time. This is a common occurrence in SoloQ, and this can be changed with Kindred basekit.
• Also if "still does not ensure you escape", surely you would have no issue with this perk being basekit then? :)

"The only people who benefit from this is teams that you face often at high MMR, so Killers should keep struggling and blame BHVR? and give Survivors 7 perks? Okay sure. (A bit more broken English but I did my best with this.)"

• Nobody is saying to give Survivors 7 perks. Yet again, Id like to direct your attention to an earlier point I made, Patch 6.1.0 gave 5 whole basekit effects to buff Killers, while Survivors only got 1 basekit effect. Youre entire argument makes literally no sense when Killers inherently got more. You LOVE to ignore this, but make up things out of thin air.
• Also high MMR is another horrible argument because the softcap for MRR is 1600 Rating. For perspective, the MMR of new players is 1000 Rating. Due to the MMR having a wide range of MMR ratings you can get paired with, it is very much possible to get paired with and against somewhat new players at moderate to high MMR ranges due to how low the softcap for MMR is set. Combine the fact that the MMR softcap is so low with SoloQ matchmaking, you often rarely face good teams (coming from someone who plays a lot of Killer and knows from experience).

I wish I recorded the match where I got a 3k 11 stage on a 4 man SWF that had over 10k hours across 3 of their players (4th had their hours hidden) as Billy on Eyrie with no gen slowdown

So then I could just say "SWF is a problem"

Yeah it dont work like that, the more posts you make the more youre proving to every one that you are just a newer player who refuses to learn, which will get you no where.

• 2:05 - Match starts.
• 2:25 - Starting to light Boon (20 seconds wasted when spawning close to a Generator).
• 2:45 - Cancels Blessing because the Wraith walks by, wasting 20 more seconds not on a Generator (Wraith does not uncloak and chase you, huge mistake on their part).
• 2:49 - Starts to relight the Boon, the delay between wastes 4 more seconds not on a Generator (starts emoting for no reason).
• 3:03 - Gets done setting up the Boon.
• 3:05 - 1 minute into the match and you have yet to touch a single Generator, Wraith has yet to get into a chase and injure someone.
• 3:15 - You run by a Generator being repaired and Urban Evasion behind an object, you have still yet to repair a Generator.
• 3:32 - Starts to open a Chest.
• 3:49 - You start to light another Boon despite your Boon still being active.
• 3:53 - Wraith gets their first hit in the match.
• 4:25 - You start to light another Boon despite your Boon still being active. First Generator is completed (which took 200 seconds since the start of the match).
• 5:05 - You start to light another Boon despite your Boon still being active.
• 5:50 - You start to light another Boon despite your Boon still being active. Wraith gets their first down of the match (since the Killer has Eruption, they have made no attempt to pressure Generators, and you have still yet to touch a single Generator).
• 6:53 - You get on a Generator for the first time of the match.

The Wraith was clearly struggling this match, but I dont think it has to do with Boons. If you payed attention to the HUD, you would have noticed that up until this point, the Wraith struggled in chase. The were really slow to getting hits and downs.

But Id argue that Boons were a direct hinderance to your team that match. You spent nearly 5 minutes of the match Urban Evasion'ing around and lighting Boons. Those 5 minutes could have been used to complete generators, and with 3 generators still remaining up until 6:53, you could have completed the remaining 3 generators on your own in that amount of time.

Wraith also bringing in Eruption, yet you really never hear it proc it's effect (since it makes Survivors scream) earlier into the match. Wraith is the not kicking and pressure Generators and is struggling to pressure Survivors. Which can happen sometimes, but is normally the effect of the Killer misplaying.

Again, this guy losing has nothing to do with Boons. To be honest, Im not even sure why you brought up Boons in an argument about basekit perks. It feels like you are just complaining for the sake of complaining now. "Why cant I have this if they have this?" type of stuff.

1. "Yea I know this Killer was not the best but he has been playing a while to have Eruption, Call of Brine, and the cosmetic," you do realize that people dont play the game everyday. Having perks and cosmetics does not equate to skill. The Wraith played poorly and lost, and it is still horrible example nonetheless.
2. Good teams are rare and hard to come by. Most of my killer matches usually end in 3Ks and 2Ks (I always give hatch so never 4Ks).
3. "Maybe he didnt get downs because they were actually good," but it's Suffocation Pit, a map that is known to be horrible for most M1 killers. And yet again, Wraith's power is not that good in chase.
4. "My main point is if the survivors are decent enough, then perks like Eruption wont effect them," I mean, if the Wraith never kicked Generators, or never pressured Generators, then Generator-Kicking perks are useless. They played poorly and lost, that still does not make it a good example.
5. "Eruption will also happen but if you know this now why let it trigger against you?" because SoloQ cant do anything against Eruption. I dont have telepathy, I cant always predict when my teammates will go down if they are across the map.
6. The Wraith would know the Generator is being worked on from Call of Brine since CoB provides a Loud Noise Notification from Skill Checks, "the Wraith assumed it's regressing" is a horrible argument.
7. "That was obviously a 3-man SWF" proof?
8. "If everyone stopped complaining about one side the game would still be old DBD", yet you are complaining about potential Survivors buffs and want to buff Killers even more without even considering how it would affect the game.
9. "Killers may have received minor number adjustments but how does that help that Killer we just watched against a good team," I have no issue with chasing Survivors myself. M2 Only Billy, no problem. Sadako, no problem. Ghostface or Clown, literally no issues.
10. "Im saying people should leave well enough alone, you got your perks, I got mine," then what the hell is the point in this entire post? "Im saying people should leave well enough alone," yet you want basekit NOED. "Im saying people should leave well enough alone," but you bring up Circle of Healing for no damn reason. You have no room to speak on such.

My dude, I mostly play Killer and SoloQ. Im not trying to "using SWF to bully the Killer" or whatever tinfoil hat conspiracy theory you want to come up with. In fact, I have mostly been playing Killer recently because SoloQ is too horrible to play in it's current state. Jumping to outrageous conclusions and claims because you lack the ability to understand what I am saying does not make your points look good.

"But nope, just buff SoloQ and not consider how the game is affected," but I literally am, Ive said this several times and I dont know how many more times I have to repeat this. Aura reading basekit has no affect upon SWF. Aura reading basekit only helps SoloQ. I, along with several others, have been making reasonable arguments yet you still insist on ignoring this.

If you want to continue to rant and complain, go ahead. Im not discussing this further, you are a waste of my time and everyone else's time.

Tell me. If BHVR were to add a chat wheel to DbD for Survivors to be able to tell each other:

"I'm on a gen! (75%)"

"The killer is near me!"

"Healing! (50%)"

"Hex Totem here!"

and/or they added little status icons to show what action a Survivor is doing. Like repairing, cleansing, blessing, being chased, etc.

how in the world does that buff SWF? The only way I can possibly see it, is they receive information .2 seconds faster than before, mean while Solo Q still has no idea what the hell is going on.

Those are the infos I want Solo to have, and definitely it does not buff Swf at all. Many killers just want to stomp Solo who doesnt know what to do because the lack of info they have.

Survivor's game, chase efficient is a small part, Gen efficient take the most. You can have 90sec chase and teammates do 30sec Gen, or have 45sec chase and teammates do 45sec Gen.

Guy, I'm ngl to you. All this gameplay told me is that you're one of the problems with solo queue. Urban evading away from a teammate on a gen? Relighting the same boon over and over while your previous one is still active? Taking ages to actually get on a gen? The only thing missing is self-caring in a corner.