Is time for 3 gens to leave.

Sure if every Killer has the mobility of Nurse and Blight. Otherwise, no. Or we can just fix the gen regression perks that create the problem instead.

Yeah, I wish 3 gens didn't come up as well. I hate blaming killers for playstyles that shouldn't even be an option. It also feels really annoying when playing killer - like there is a clear place from the start of the map that I should defend if I want to keep the survivors from getting out, but it creates a really unfair match if I do.

This has always been a thing and was never an issue until gen kick meta came and buffed what was already the strongest strategy out of proportion. Nerf Gen kick perks but leave gen spawns as they are otherwise you may as well delete killers like Trapper and Myers from the game because all you're gonna do is punish the low tier killers with no mobility while Nurse and Blight wouldn't care one bit.

If something that hasn't ever changed never was a problem suddenly becomes a problem after something else happened it's usually the something else that needs changing. Not the the thing that was fine before

Everytime this comes up, I present my reworked Insidious.

Insidious: when staying motionless for 9/8/7 seconds, the killers terror radius disappears and they get teleported into an unobserved dark corner of the map within 16m of a random survivor. This perk starts on cooldown and has a 90s cooldown.

This would be so beautiful and thematic on Myers, Clow and their likes and in one fell swoop eliminate most of the problems the M1 killers face. It would allow them to do their thing and occasionally pressure a gen accross the map, without giving them too much control over it.

I've noticed the borgo tends to have some really poor gen placement too considering how massive it is. Normally there's one in the shack, one in the immediate cluster of bushes and fences outside and another further left towards the edge of the map. All within sight of each other - considering this map was created for the Knight you'd think they'd be more spread out. Some variations if the Auto haven Wreckers are terrible at the moment too.

Legitimately, skill issue

And the problem is the perk and character interactions that can fuel this.

Not 'gens are close enough together a 3-gen can exist'. Trying to change the maps to 'solve' a particular interaction is going to cause far more problems than it fixes.

Even if you look at it the other way round, you don't change game design to balance out the effect of perks. So, in this instance, you obviously don't change map spawns to spread out generators so that Knight+genkicking can't hold a three gen, because then you're making the game design an even bigger problem.

Partially correct in my opinion. 3 gens are definitely the survivors' fault but it does require coordination to solve. One of my highest escape percentage builds is OTR, Prove Thyself, Situational Awareness and Deja Vu. A lot of survivors don't like it because Deja Vu is a 'baby perk' and you can't afford to clown on the Killer as there are no chase perks (and OTR is just anti-tunneling insurance). However, I escape noticeably more with this build.

The other build I had with a high rate of escape is OTR, Potential Energy, Hyperfocus, Stakeout and a Commodious with a map offering to a known 3 gen map. Why that works is maps like RPD can be good for survivors if the 3 gen is busted but, over 80% of the time, I only see survivors work on the safer gens and we get 3 genned.

That is 100% the survivors' (as a group) fault. It is well-known some maps have 3 gens by default and the 3 gen should be busted first. It doesn't matter if the Killer is patrolling it; until that 3 gen is busted there's no chance of escape so bust the 3 gen or die trying.

The issue is that it's hard to coordinate. That part isn't the Survivors fault but it wasn't so hard to beat before until Eruption gave the 25 second Incapacitation. That needs to change.

But 3 gens need to stay. There are less than 10 Killers that would be viable in normal play, not comp play, not high MMR play, just normal play if 3 gens didn't exist. That's not fair or acceptable to change maps from a bad map for most Killers to an automatic loss with virtually no chance for most of the Killer roster which is what would happen if 3 gen were removed.

Without the ability to stop people from working on the 3-gen for nearly 30s (and add fast regression at the same time) every time someone goes down, it doesn't matter. It's only this combination that turns it into oppressive against four survivors; with any other set of regression perks--even triggering Jolt smack bang in the middle--a group of four Survivors can break the 3-gen setup.

Ergo, your conclusion is false. The map design doesn't need to change because a Killer might hold a 3-gen without these perks against a bad group, or if someone goes down. If anything, the problem most maps have is that they're too big and a big chunk of Killers can't effectively patrol gens or get anywhere in a reasonable time; fixing that would actually push gens together. And on smaller maps, they literally can't be further apart (especially those with more static features like Dead Dawg) because the map doesn't have space to sprinkle gens more tiles apart.

This game will never be balanced around solo, otherwise SWF would be uber broken. The killer can't choose if survivors are going to be solo or SWF, but survivors can choose how they want to play. As long as survivor can play SWF, the game should be balanced around SWF.

The fact that 3-gens are possible, is brilliant. It actually requires survivors to strategize a little, and not just hop on the first gen they see.