Killers… don’t make a crutch for yourself.

I 100% agree. I tried out the Eruption/CoB/Overcharge combo, and while it is very strong and can even give weaker killers like Clown a run for their money, I stopped using it after a couple trial runs to see what all the fuzz was about.

Yes, it is very strong, and yes it is very hard to break up and yes, it will eventually get nerfed. Be me, a Pyramid Head main who uses only info perks to get as many cheap shots at sitting ducks in the bushes :) LethalPursuer/AwakenedAwareness/NowhereToHide/IamAllEars. This build works so well with the old Pyramid boi, just get into that first chase, take note where the other survivors at gens are and never let go of your pressure. Its a very aggressive build thats aided a lot by my experience in the game, but it got no regression or slowdown, so if you mess up a chase and are left stranded, then you might not regain your footing. But I guess not playing all the meta perks eventually made me the better killer with much better situational awareness.

I wouldn't consider Eruption to be some kind of 'training wheels' for newbie killers. It takes good timing and map sense to manage your gens and secure the Eruption trigger. It's not a newbie perk. But once you have that timing and secured downs sorted out, it's absolutely oppressive.

Auto regression, things like Jolt, Thrilling, Pain Res, etc. are much more newbie friendly.

Pop used to be the meta and it's the same thing lol. I don't know why people act like killers never kicked gens before, they did it less sure because Pop was the only real reason to do so but Pop was very popular not that long ago and it's still not that bad and I'm actually surprised people go with Overcharge over Pop more often.

Also you only need to kick the gen once to apply it and only if it has significant progress you don't just kick the gen over chasing every single time lol.

Dead Hard took 4 years to nerf because it didn't work for 3 of them.

Nah, I already play a meme killer without addons and slowdown, and if people manage to give me 4ks im convinced you can play perkless trapper without using traps and still win against some teams, no need to run meta everytime.

You'd have a point if 80% of killers with these perks didn't just defend a 3 gen from the start of the game. Sure you need to get a down (which usually means winning a chase) to proc eruption, but not the other perks. So they just stand around and kick gens for 30-40 minutes. That definitely does not help them learn the game.

Imo new killers should absolutely run slowdown perks, but stopping to kick gens before taking a chase is a bad habit to learn (especially if/when Eruption gets nerfed). Running passive slowdown is way better for that purpose.

That said obviously you can run whatever you want, old or new player alike, but there's definitely going to be a LOT of salt if these perk combos get nerfed.

I'm hoping that you're absolutely, 100% wrong.

And I believe you're absolutely, 100% wrong, too. After all, when they nerfed Ruin into the ground, their stated reason wasn't because it was too strong, it was specifically because they wanted to switch up the meta. Their point wasn't to destroy any semblance of a meta altogether.

If they do get rid of the current meta perks, they'll replace them with something else.

This.

It depends. I tried a few games on a fresh EGS account a few days back, and I was able to exactly that, 4K everyone as perkless, addonless, beartrapless Trapper before two gens were done.

But that's just because my MMR was so low. If all you're doing is memeing around, then of course you're not seeing better players.

Well, yeah, sure, if you're playing Spirit or Nurse. Ghostface needs all the help he can get.

Some of the perks that are downright oppressive on good killers just manage to make lesser killers viable. That's the problem DBD is fundamentally dealing with whenever someone wants to nerf of buff some of these perks.

Side rant:

Dead Hard is still an S-tier perk on survivors, and it's become the bane of my existence again in DBD now that survivors know how to use it. It's not as terrible as it used to be, but I still see it every game again, and screwing up against it one time can cost an extra 30-45 seconds in a single chase, which can mean the entire game if you're an M1 killer without an accessible instadown.

So. I really don't wanna hear any talk about nerfing killer meta perks just as the survivor meta picks up again, anyhow.

On the other hand, perks that killers were freaking out about (OTR, I'm looking at you) turned out to be underpowered.

Anyways, I hate how Ruin, which took another perk slot (Undying) to even be debatably S-tier was nerfed to F-tier with or without Undying, while the uncounterable SSS-tier survivor perk was just nerfed to S-tier. I mean, fine, whatever, killers did get some basekit buffs along with that, but I don't think we need killer perk nerfs, and certainly not without some new perks to replace them.

Yes and no regarding the lower tier killers. You might need a bit more regression, but quad slowdown and purple/Iri is complete overkill and just teaches killers bad habits on any killer.

CoB and Eruption aren't even in need of nerf. Nerfing it would be just going with the casual players wishes once more. This game without gen regression simply isn't functional and even if CoB and Eruption get nerfed people will probably just stack other forms of gen defense.

I'm sorry, but losing because of a 3 gen is no excuse. Even with Call of Brine, regression is only half of the speed a solo repairing, meaning that for every 2 seconds of regression you would only need one to undo the damage. On a 3 gen scenario, all you have to do is brute force it and when you get hit you go to the other side of the map to heal, which can get really efficient with CoH. If the killer follows you, your teammates finish the gen, if he comes back to the 3 gen just rinse and repeat until the 3 gen is broken. Regression is always slower than progression, so your case is merely a skill issue.

Running to the other side of the map in a corner to heal is merely a skill issue. That's where survivors lose attrition against a good killer.

But that's the thing, if the problem is your teammates... Why attack the regression perks when the problem is the matchmaking?

DbD survivor is a team based game and you're not going to carry everyone solo, that's just how it works. I do play other team based games like League of Legends, Pokemon Unite and Overwatch but I do know how to differentiate when I lost because of my teammates, because of game balance or because of my lack of skill and each of these problems have completely different solutions which should not mix together.

The incapacitated timer can be countered if you have an idea of when the survivor is gonna go down. Aura perks like Fogwise, Bonds, Inner Focus and many others can give you an idea of when the next survivor is going down. If you think that using a perk to help counter another perk is bad, be aware that it is perfectly normal to use stuff to counter the meta, just like Stridor was only used to counter Iron Will (when Spirit was good) and how the Original Pain add-on is the only reliable counter in the game to Off the Record, which by itself justifies its use. Also, Eruption only benefits the killer if they are getting a down, so the reward is perfectly healthy since it encourages going for chases (something that a killer who is only focused on keeping a 3 gen won't do).

About the "hurting inexperienced players argument" the only thing that I have to say is that, well... Yeah, you're gong to have a hard time against strong loadouts when you're new, that's is true for literally everything that is half decent, but eventually you're going to learn how to play around it, that's how multiplayer games work.

never use it since i considered it trash (it's good only when you face average survivors who are greedy: when you start to face competent loopers or people that will just play safe and drop the pallets whenever they can this combo become USELESS)