Clarification on Adepts and ragequits
So now that adepts are based on getting a 4k. What happens if a survivor DCs? Does it count as a kill or does it mess up your adept? Because if it's the latter, then that's gonna suck hard.
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I don't think dcs have ever counted as a sacrifice because any challenge where it's "kill survivor by any means" or dailies that involve sacrificing won't count if they dc.
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Well I'd prefer definite clarification if anyone's experienced it yet.
Because if so that'll be a huge issue. Look how many people already ragequit the second they get downed. And the number of survs who will jump in lockers constantly they realise a myers is going for his 4 mori achievement.
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As far as I am aware; Survivors can ruin an entire Adept run by DCing.
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Yea, it won't be much different than it is now in that respect.
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Killers also ruin adepts by DCing, so at least the idiocy is symmetric.
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Actually it does count as a kill, you can still get the adept if one survivor dcs,also if they kill themselves on hook because it's still counted as hook states you get a larger incentive for ragequits but this will not ensure the adept because you still have to get gold or iridescent in the categories and have merciless killer as match results you can have 1 iridescent but all other categories must be gold.I don't think it's possible if two dc
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OP is talking about the upcoming changes, not discussing the way the game currently works. Read the January 2023 developer update.
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I'm also thinking as long as you meet the requirements,say if you've gotten to the merciless result by the end of the match and all DC, you could probably still get the adept if all categories are met
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The OP is talking about AFTER the next update where they are changing it to only needing a 4K to get Merciless Killer.
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They always could. Unless you were extremely lucky a DC most likely prevented you to get a merciless rating in the old system, too.
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Well I doubt that will change, players didn't know if DCing,suiciding on hooks would mess up adepts
That would be an awful decision because their are people who can see the load out by hacks and would be very vindictive if match doesn't go their way
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Actually you'll get instant adept if killer dc's because the only condition for survivor adept is to escape, and that counts as an escape
Which has happened to me
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Nope. I've had three killer DCs in the past week while going for various survivor adepts and I was not awarded the achievement for any of them.
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You say achievement are you on Xbox? There might be different conditions for others platforms such as we have to get 100 downs on PSN for skilled huntress as where Xbox only needed 24 idk exactly if that's the case tho
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No, PC (Steam).
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Promise you, it's happened to me multiple times, including objective trophies like doing the gen in the main house or room.
So I'm thinking it must be a platform condition
This happened recently
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Ok. So that's something they need to fix, make it consistent on all platforms.
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I knew you would say that
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It took 4 year's to get skilled huntress so they should just change a small detail that Sony allows,you didn't want to play the it's an escape
Your on PC and could get the achievement,faster than I could
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Why do you sound as if I'm bragging and you now have that covetousness tone.Like you just have to have this available to you ?
I played against wraith who didnt hook one other survivor ,he spent the whole match looking for me so I couldn't get hemophobia
I've put my work in for the harder trophies like skilled huntress
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Like I personally don't want nothing free but why would they add that to other platforms but not lower the number for skilled huntress, how unfair is that
I prefer to escape the normal way, it's only happened three times and the only ones that ,I suspect that are DC survivor mains playing killer there's no reason for a killer to DC as host we still receive points and pips and may even get the high caliber survivor
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Sony wouldnt let them change the requirements for trophies which is why skilled huntress stayed at 100.
Sony only allows changes when a trophy becomes 100% unattainable
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I see killers DC in...maybe 1 in 20 matches, if that. Probably closer to 1 in 30.
I see survivors DC/suicide in probably 1/3 of my killer games, if not more.
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No, if the killer quits it counts as an escape. But if the survivor quits it doesn't count as a kill. Nonsensical.
why did you make 4 posts about things he didn't even say?
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I like the adept changes
One small nitpick is that i would have prefered it if merciless was that nobody escaped out of the gate.
Making it a 4k pretty much means you need to slug at the end if you don't want to lose your adept to luck
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Yh i phrased this badly. Tbh I should've directed this at mods/devs to check if they've thought of it yet.
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Killers should not be even more rewarded by a DC. If you play a killer enough you will get a 4k with them.
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I don't see a fair way of giving killer kill credit for DCs. Frankly, the changes this patch are enough. Killer Adepts will now be much, much easier. So what if the odd survivor DC scuppers your chances of an Adept that particular game? You're bound to get it within 5 games at the very least due to MM putting you with potatoes as much as SWF.
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It’s really weird when trophies do and don’t pop. I recently switched from PS4 to PS5 so I was re-earning all the trophies again and I was going for the “Hemophobia” one where you take no damage on Disturbed Ward and the killer DC’ed at one gen and I took no damage and did technically escape and it did not pop.
Yet when I went for the adept for Yun-Jin, the exit gates where powered and I was healing someone outside of the exit gate and the killer DC’ed and it did pop that time.
And I remember back in the day with adepts you could get four DC’s at the start of the match and you would earn the adept for killer so I’m not sure if going forward it will be like that or not.
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what about killers getting kill credit for DCs is "unfair"? do you have even a single reason they shouldn't get kill credit for any an all survivor DCs? especially when survivors already get escape credit for killer DCs. if the survivor had gone AFK it would count as a kill, or even if they DC on hook it counts as a kill sometimes, but for some reason if they clicked a button that means it shouldn't count as a kill now?
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Why does it have to be a 4k? Survivors complain so much about killers slugging for the 4k, and here we are with a new mechanic that still encourages killers to slug for the 4k. Can we please make it a 3k? A 3k should be considered as a win for the killer????
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- A survivor who DC's isn't a survivor who was killed. You didn't kill them, they could have DCd for any reason.
- When a survivor does DC, all remaining survivors are basically guaranteed to die as well.
So camping/slugging out the first survivor, forcing them to DC, and then effortlessly killing the remaining survivors would be a guaranteed adept.
There's no reason to count it as a kill. Adept is now stupidly easy, you have nothing to worry about. It's now easier than a survivor Adept.
It used to be so difficult it could take you 20, 40 games to get close to it, and to have that perfect game scuppered by a DC was infuriating. Now all you need to do is 4K, which you can do practically every other game. It simply doesn't matter anymore, as far as Adepts are concerned, that a DC robs you of a kill.
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Yeah, I'd be happy with "no survivors escaping through the exits".
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You can't "force" survivors to DC, they always have the choice whether or not they want to do it.
Most of the time when people DC, if that option wasn't there, they were already dead or simply would've AFK'd until they died anyway. "Oh, they disconnected the second before you hooked them on death hook, that doesn't count, bro, they weren't killed."
Camping/slugging/tunneling the first survivor... kills them. They aren't forced to DC, and if they don't DC, you've killed them anyway. It literally doesn't matter if they DC, they're going to die, they've already given up at this point which is why they're DCing.
There is every reason to count it as a kill and no reason not to count it as a kill. "Survivor got mad and ragequit" is not a valid reason to deny credit towards challenges/achievements.
If it doesn't matter, then it should be totally fine to make it count as a kill so players aren't robbed. You admit that it robs you, why would you advocate for more robbing? Do you think they should remove escape credit from DCs from the game?
It doesn't matter how difficult it is to get the achievement, there just is absolutely no legitimate reason for someone ragequitting to rob you of kill credit. Adepts are not the only thing in the game that runs off kill credit, plenty of challenges as well, plenty of documented occurrences of survivors intentionally ragequitting, knowing fully well they were going to die anyway, specifically only for the purpose of denying a killer a challenge.
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Do you mean upcoming or current or this is not a factor at all ?
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Brutal - Good way for survivors to deny your adept/burn your good add-ons (as you'll most likely need them on certain killers)
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If DCs would count, survivors would stop DCing. Win win for both sides. Just cheap to not give the killer a kill when a survivor DC since DS is = giving up/surrender.
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Question, if all survivors DC just before each of them get killed, does that mean that the killer will depip?
I'm asking this because one of the main reasons survivors DC is to screw killers' rating system. If I'm correct, then DCing now is kinda of incentivesed to these toxic groups.
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How often do you see killers DC from matches? I know I don't ever, unless I'm experiencing some serious lag.
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Thanks for the answer. Doesn't this seem a bit unfair for those going for adepts though? Survivors DC quite regularly and it seems unfair to punish an achievemnt hunter for another players bad conduct/dodgy connection.
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So your argument is it should be 3 kills instead of 4 because “survivors complain so much about killers slugging for the 4k.”
Here is an idea, maybe don’t slug for the 4k? If you can’t get a 4K without slugging, maybe you shouldn’t be earning an adept?
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Because hatch RNG is so much a measure of your player ability, and not just 'who does it spawn closer to after hooking the third Survivor for the last time', right?
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It's probably certain one's have specific conditions because of difficultly.Hemophobia is a tough one to get especially if you solo que, it took me multiple attempts and the last try the Wraith was only after me.He would chase other survivor's injured but as soon as he saw me ,and I was fully healed he'd begin chasing me, that match made it even more rewarding when i escaped
I think it's fair tho if a killer dc's and your going for adept it unlocks because,you could have played that whole round and escape vs the next match where you don't escape.
In hemophobia's case it's a difficult to not be injured an entire match and you escape vs if you just loaded in a match 1 gen killer dc's, that's not much effort,where as the game can't tell if this was your goal to unlock it.
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The Survivor's Handbook doesn't work on me. BHVR had a chance to promote 3ks as "good enough", but instead just made a requirement tied to a 4k, so they are actively promoting killers trying to get a 4k.
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Brace yourselves, adept achievements will become similar to evil incarnate now. If a survivor notices your perks, can ruin it by DCing. Not as bad as ruining it by jumping into a locker, but still bad.
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Well no not really because a killer dcing grants an adept for free and a survivor dcing denies it completely. It's really not the same thing
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Not as much as survivor but still a concerning amount imo.
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Not for me, happened three times in the last week that the killer DC'd while I was going for an adept and I did not get it any of the three.
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I'm saying the criteria for obtaining achievements should be consistent across platforms. Either killer DCs should grant survivor adept on all platforms or it shouldn't on any of them. It doesn't much matter to me which it is, but it's a bit silly that activation criteria aren't the same.
That's an objective critique of the game. It's not a "tone."
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