Do YOU think Eruption needs a nerf?

illNicola: Isn't a problem at all, doesn't need a nerf....

also illNicola: ... can potentially be lethal.

We're supposed to take that seriously?

"The perk isn't useless against SWF, it's actually decent. There's play and counterplay. The issue is that any nerfs to this perk for the sake of solo queue would be essentially buffing SWF, or at least further reducing the number of viable killer perks against SWF. And that's not good either."

Simply changing Incapacitated to blocking the gen would level the playing field between SWF and solo, without being a nerf.

If that's not good enough, I posted a suggestion earlier in this very topic that would actually be a buff to Eruption, but would affect SWF more than soloq.

"Survivors can choose to play in a SWF or play solo. Killers cannot choose whether they face SWFs or not - so it does feel more than a little unfair to constantly gut killer perks for the sake of solo."

Someone who obviously doesn't play survivor. I cant choose when my friends, who rarely play these days, decide to come online. I'm also not going out of my way to hunt down comp teams and apply for a slot on their SWF. I can't just jump into discord with randoms I meet. So no, SWF isn't an option for me. If I want to play survivor, it has to be solo.

weird , either probably you are one of those guys that do not touch any gen during the entire game or u are getting lucky that the killer isnt kicking the gen you are working on...idk ... but at the moment eruption is busted as hell on some killers with high mobility and good 1 vs 1 powers + on solo Q as survivor you will always get affected by it since people cant really know when someone is going down at that moment unlike a SWF that is playing on discord.

final thought--- Eruption by itself destroys any solo Q team and its a mediocre perk against SWF.

Why should it be tied to a post-hook sytem? Are survivor gen perks tied to something?

You realize that pre buff, the perk was basically considered useless by everyone.

• A single dead hard can counter eruption and break a 3-gen hold.
• Deja Vu shows you the exact gens you need to prioritize asap.
• 20% instant progress hits from potential energy.
• And don't even get me started on hyperfocus/stakeout and the cartoonish completion speeds possible through it.

All the tools necessary to beat eruption are available.

This whole thing is just dumb though; a lot like old ruin/undying, people just hate that eruption stops the game from being a cakewalk. If the 25 second incapacitation on eruption gets nerfed then it's likely we'll see more slugging since killers won't be able to count on having the time to chase somebody out of a 3-gen, down, hook, then finally get back to the important area to re-kick everything before 1 of the gens is double or triple teamed to completion, and all that is only if they don't eat a dead hard and get the eruption trigger completely nullified.

'Nerfed across the board' is a massive exaggeration. The meta slowdown was nerfed, specifically the meta perks ruin, pop and corrupt, and eventually Thana got a net nerf after being overtuned for a bit. I'll even be generous and say Tinkerer was a slowdown perk that was nerfed. Everything else was either buffed or unchanged for regression.

Jolt has no cooldown now, base kit gen kick removes 2.5%, Eruption regression increased and longer incap, overcharge now speeds up to 200%, Gift of Pain penalty increased, Pain Res only lost information (not regression), and combined with DMS the combo is literally unchanged. And 10 extra seconds to base kit gen times on top of all that.

'Buffed faster gen perks' is just laughable. The two perks that got any kind of buff at all were Deja Vu and Overzealous... these are still not worth a perk slot. Spine chill was nerfed and no longer provides even a situational repair speed boost.

The only two new perks that affect gens are Hyperfocus and Potential energy, and PE makes overall gen progress *slower* by it's design. Hyperfocus is the only valid complaint here since it shouldn't be able to work with toolboxes, imo.

It's not that gen speed perks were 'buffed', the most common perks weren't changed at all. So with 10 extra seconds of gen time, survivors are still taking longer to do gens than before 6.1. What happened is that more survivors are running gen speed perks now than before, with the occasional Hyperfocus/stakeout player.

IMO yes because it rewards a non-interactive and boring gameplay.

Yes!

I don't think the issue is necessarily its power level as much as it is the Incapacitated effect which prevents survivors from playing the game, it's not fun.

So while technically a nerf the Incapacitated should just be changed to blocking the gen instead. Now they can still do other things like heal, totems, go to another gen ect.

This would remove its un-fun component while not being too heavy of a nerf.

bumping for visibility <3

I agree that some maps are an issue.

In the end, we can discuss as much as we want but the devs got their stats. (Although they've made Nurse more difficult for beginners when she is pretty bad at low ranks, so, who knows ... ?)

I didn't know randoms could call out on vc that they were about to go down......

I don't always be in a four man swf. Sometimes just playing with one or two friends. So you can't account for the randoms.

I use Eruption so that I can defend gens from a distance on killers with low mobility. The incapacitated effect doesn't matter all that much to me, personally.

I wouldn't be against getting rid of it entirely if the base damage was buffed to 12% or so. Survivors would still have less damage done to the gen overall since being off of a regressing gen for 25 seconds means ~8.5% extra damage on top of the 10% caused by the generator explosion, so a flat 12% would still be less than the ~18% done by the perk currently while still keeping the perk effective.

Also worth seeing how Eruption's effectiveness is affected by the upcoming update. Knowing when an injured survivor is being chased will give other solo survivors a chance to hop off of gens before the down.

But the advantages over PR would be (1) you can damage multiple gens at once, and (2) you don't have to find a Scourge Hook or even manage to hook anyone, just get a down.

I'm trying out a build right now with PR/Pop/Dying Light/Eruption, and damn is it mean. If a gen is 99'd, you can get 22% off when you kick it with Pop, another 10% when you down someone, another 15% if you hook someone on a Scourge Hook, and then you can run back and kick another gen with Pop (which is guaranteed 12% if the gen is more than half done), and then gain a DL stack thanks to the hook, leading ultimately to a 3-24% speed penalty on top of everything else.

I'm liking this better than the CoB meta since CoB can only do 15% damage on its own, and that's only if it's left alone for 30 seconds. With this build you can get, in theory, almost a full 50% with a single kick, and since it's a flat regression, survivors can't just tap a gen to prevent further progress.

Eruption would still be useful in builds like this without being OP.

Yes. I've won games singlehandedly with this perk that would have been unwinnable. Haven't felt this strong since ruin affected skillchecks and the totem was never found.

With the amount of anti totem perks, the whole Hex meta should go back to the drawing board. Because Hex perks are so weak, that they don´t deserve the balancing effect of being a Hex. Original Undying was giving Hex perks a better survivability but now its not rare to hear 2 thunderstrikes within the first 30-60 seconds, because totem spawns are so busted. Survivors literally spawn on top of them.

The point of buffing Erruption was probably to increase its usage numbers. Since before the patch, no one would ever use. Because it was simply a terrible perk. Exhaustion would be pointless, as Fearmonger already gives this effect with just touching a gen and Oblivious, well everyone can see where the survivor was downed.

Not really that simple.

You do not always know that a gen has been kicked. You also do not know when someone is going to go down, so if you're suggesting to get off gens whenever someone is injured, yikes.

Also, Prove Thyself isn't good. It saves like 7 seconds on a gen. The only time a PT gen will take 30 seconds is if 3 or 4 Survivors are on it, which is really really good for you as Killer, you want that.

Not really, even as survivor gens pop extremely fast when killers run it. We escape with only like 2-3 hooks total max.

We back to this use empathy to guess when survivors go down malarkey? if they're across the map how do you know how much longer they could possibly last in chase? Could be a strong tile.

I do... cause it wasn't used that much before it's buff... and in that buff it went from 6% Gen regression to 10% and the Incapacitated status effect went from 16 seconds to 25 seconds

So my change to it would be to give it a Oppression like cooldown after the kick... so it's either get one Gen affected and take advantage of it or wait to get more Gens affected

Same regression and Incapacitated but longer kick cooldown (if it didn't have one already)