If you complain about Eruption but use DH

This idea sounds familiar...

How things change.

I do not think I understand what you are getting at.

I will still attempt to hit and down survivors, even if I run no perks.

Eruption allows me to think in terms of a generator defense, and motivates me to continue a pursuit that I know will take more time than I fell is safe at the moment, because I might get a payout of pressure coming off one of my generators.

Is this the same as Deadhard? No, of course not. But they both accomplish similar things for opposing sides in an asymmetric.

Deadhard just forces a surprise increase in expended time at a moment that isn't under the killer's control. It effects the same metric, just from the opposing side.

Neither requires no skill as I see it. Both take skill to use well, they are just very different skills that are being employed.

yknow I never understood this. Just because some one doesn't agree with you, doesn't mean they're a one trick Survivor main. In fact you've got it the wrong way. I was a Survivor main up until 2018/2019 where I basically switched to playing killer the majority of the time. Now that one of your main points of me being an evil survivor main falls down the shitter, lets dissect this shall we?

So your main arguments for countering Eruption: Play in a SWF, use tracking perks... how original! And completely and utterly false! Sure SWF does help counter Eruption but not everyone plays in a SWF. As for tracking perks, none of them are consistent. You can't tell when some one is about to go down with their aura alone. The only time is if you can see both the Survivor being chased and the killer, and then you need to have really fast reaction times to react to a killers lunge or power. And if they don't do either or if you don't see them you're ######### out of luck. Compare this to Dead Hard where once you see a Survivor use it once, its only your fault if you get hit by it multiple times by the same person. The only time where its actually unfair is if the Survivor is running at a pallet, and even then its a 50/50. Since the Survivor can't do any actions for the duration of the animation. And even if you do get hit by it, you can still find some one else and pressure them knowing that the Survivor you just chased will at least waste time mending.

"How about we discuss you survivor players with toolboxes and provethyself finishing 2-3 gens before 1-2 hooks even if the chases end almost immediately. Even FINDING someone and downing them INSTANTLY means nothing at high mmr when gens pop barely a minute into the match. Yet you people find that fair somehow."

Toolboxes could use a nerf, in some instances they can be pretty busted. Prove Thyself on the other hand is as much of a trap for killers thinking that its an OP perk as new Survivor players thinking Self Care is godlike. Survivors are much better off splitting up on gens, especially in the early game. Its only good in one instance, and thats endgame. 2 Survivors sitting on a gen from start to finish takes roughly 52 seconds, Prove Thyself brings that down to 45 seconds. Do what you want with that information.

"Did you know eruption wont proc if you just let go ? Did you know you can do a different gen that hasn't been kicked yet? Did you know you can just loop well enough that gens pop before eruption has a chance to proc?"

How do I let go if I don't know some ones about to go down? Running to a different gen might as well waste just as much time as eating the Eruption, considering one pop of Eruption alone prevents 41.25% of progression. Also looping and wasting time will only get some one so far. We both know you can't just run some one infinitely unless the killer is brand new or is just bad.

"We did FOUR gens in my last match where a doctor was running deadmans,painres,and eruption. FOUR gens before he got me. He chased me for THREE of those gens. Man ate a lot of pallets. Chased my teammate for the other two." Cool, you won against an inexperienced Doctor using those perks, (incorrectly mind you, considering he was over committing) want a medal?

"Just. Get. Better. Survivor is so much easier and less stressful than killer. idc if I win the majority of my matches on both sides. I get to laugh and do silly plays as survivor. You goof off one moment in a high mmr killer game and make one mistake and you lose. Survivor mistake I run away and heal heehee no big deal. Make a mistake as killer and lose all that time and a gen pops and you lose."

Yeah, you can do silly plays and goof of, because you're playing in a SWF which obviously releases a lot of tension. When ever I play in a SWF, we don't care about the outcome of a match because were too busy doing stupid #########. Also you mentioning "high mmr killer games" really just sells this whole thing and explains everything about what you just wrote. High MMR might as well not even exist, it has just as much credibility as saying you were red ranks.

But hey, what do I know? I'm just some evil survivor main wanting to bully the killer all day every day 24/7!!!!!!!!!!!!!111!!

Well... sure, you can use lots of perks to make risky plays. But the perk is not inherently high-risk. You can find stupid high-risk ways to use it, sure. But those uses aren't the problem.

Those uses are exactly the reasons killers hate dead hard. One of the biggest complaints on this forum about the perk is this situation here:

I could throw this pallet now and gain distance, but I'm going to loop one more time and hope I time DH correctly.

Foregoing the safe play for a riskier move that may or may not work out. It entirely depends on the player's ability to assess the situation and the killer and wether or not they can actually time the play correctly.

Anyone can pre drop a pallet injured, greeding the pallet to force the killer to hit your .5 second dead hard is always a risk.

Tell me your dbd hours without telling me. 2021 killers watching popular gen build YT videos without even know how to chase.

You could say the same thing about any other perk that you don't get value from for any number of reasons. That doesn't make them "high risk."

You're clearly admitting that the success of dead hard is dependent on things like skill, latency, etc.

So, then, if the survivor fails to do those things we'll call it their 'penalty' for failure. But if they can pull it off, let's say they 'win a prize'.

So dead hard is a 'penalty' vs 'prize' perk.

That sounds awkward. There must be some other, alliterative mnemonic phrasing we could use to describe this phenomenon.

Hmmm.

We'll just have to disagree on that.

I think taking a perk I'll have 70% chances (pulled the numbers out of nowhere, for some people it'll be closer to 0 and for others closer to 100) to get 0 value from is more of a risk than taking a perk I know I can get more consistent value from whether that's because they're passive or because they're easier to time.

I think in this way, DH is higher risk than Eruption, since if you're playing Eruption, you will be kicking gens, and if you're kicking gens, you will get the bonus regression when you're downing someone, regardless of if you get anyone incapacitated. And if you aren't downing anyone, then the perk being inconsistent is probably not the primary issue, maybe more a matchmaking blooper.

We do not disagree on the term "risk."

We disagree on the qualifier "high."

But you get a Warning. You can See If a survivor is in Chase With the Killer And you can See If this survivor is hurt.

you know, blight isn't the only killer in the game. Maybe not common for you, but i found a lot of people that timed well dead hard... TOO MUCH WELL, even if i bait it (using your m2 to make a "fake hit" like the wraith or simply moving your camera to gave the impression of a lunge attack or waiting behind them for half hour)

5.8k hours, 2017 player. lf you need proof let me know.