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Nurse Nerf Suggestion
As the upcoming midchapter is coming with some changes in Nurse, I have come to a conclusion that she will be still oppressive and will still counter most if not all anti-tunneling perks such as Decisive Strike and instead of buffing DS for example, we could make a change would reward a survivor for playing well against Nurse. So why? Nurse still counters every mechanic of loop and stunning her does not help you gain that much of time to get a little far from her because she can catch you again with just one blink.
So I believe Nurse should suffer from any kind of stun a little longer than other killers (which suffers way more from that mechanic). Pallet stun (or even Head On stun) against her would be more rewarding and using DS against her would be more viable. That change would make Nurse not much weaker.
Other change is to make flashlight stun (which is very hard to do against her) a little more rewarding (either being a longer stun or a little easier than nowadays) but no idea how it could affect Nurse in a way it wouldn't be really bad how it is to Wraith.
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earlier it was possible to stun her with a flashlight, but now there is a bug for the nurse, if you press the teleport quickly, then she does not care about the flashlight. The flashlight should stun like before!!! If she decides to teleport, then shining a flashlight for a second should immediately stun her.
It's a pity not everyone knew about it and we missed this mechanic that disappeared due to bugs
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In order for the bully squad not to take over this kind of locker buff, why not reward the players who face the nurse in a more neutral way?
Some time ago, I had the idea to reward players who play against the most powerful killers of DbD (Nurse, Blight, Spirit) with an extra BP gain 🤗
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Extra BP just feels like “Yeah we know you had a terrible unfun match against an oppressive killer but you got 5k more BP!”
It’s like a BP bonus for fighting a 4 man it doesn’t make it feel any better
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I don't have that point of view.
I see it more as a way to change the mindset of the players when they face this kind of killer. Maybe it will even make some people more motivated when they face these killers ☺️
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I don't really feel like Nurse is going to be nearly as oppressive now that starstruck is out of the way as well as range and recharge are gone, and those were her best addon sets. I still feel as though the Jenners addon will be nerfed, and even if it isn't, I doubt it will make her as good as recharge or range simply because of how long the fatigue is if you make every chase last that long unless you are using four slowdowns lol.
I mean, so many people just kept spamming about how they buffed the third blink before, but people would still not run it ever cause recharge or range was just better in every way. This really makes me hesitate to believe that the purple addon will be a buff in any regard considering just how good recharge, for example was.
I feel like, if anything, heavy slowdowns should be nerfed like eruption because every killer runs it due to how busted it is, and maybe make it, so slowdowns don't synergize super well like we see it doing. Then I think Nurse will very much be in an okay place, still probably hated, but much less oppressive.
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I agree she needs a serious nerf and not handouts from the developers
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Like I said on another thread :
The current nurse, despite her range and recharge add-ons, can well be challenged if the survivors on the other side are competent and organised.
The future nurse; the one of 6.5.0; will no longer have these addons, and can therefore be put in even more difficulty if the survivors are competent and organised.
The nurse of 6.5.0 does not need to be nerfed 😉
The survivors need to get better against her 🤗
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Yeah she still does her being stunned longer than other killers would be perfect solution. Other killers are punished from getting stunned why should not nurse be? Current stun just is way too short for her.
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Lol.
Nurse gets stunned the same duration as other killers. Her punishment is the same.
Its not her fault the other killers suck or have clunky mechanics or restrictions in their abilities.
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According to some players, the nurse is the absolute evil, and is responsible for absolutely everything 🤣
Is the bus late? It's the nurse's fault, come on ! 🤣
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This will not even be enough. Need to make all stuns against nurse last longer
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I'd be curious to see how you play against the nurse.
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She is losing her best addons and her best cheese build (starstruck) ,,if you really wanna moan for more nerfs at least wait till it goes live
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"As the upcoming midchapter is coming with some changes in Nurse, I have come to a conclusion that she will be still oppressive... "
Stopped reading here. Killers are supposed to be oppressive.
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Stunning Nurse for a or two seconds longer will not even "kill" her, it will just make her suffer from tunneling someone with DS (which is hardly used nowadays due to the stun nerf lol) and rewarding players for stunning her with a pallet (which is HARD to do!) or head on which any experienced player can avoid easily. Killers are supposed to be oppresive? yes, but Nurse is literally the problem of the game, but it is too late to do some big changes to her without killing her and i know it, doing small changes like this one is perfectly fine. I believe the more SoloQ get buffed to be as level of SWF and killers like Nurse and Blight get a little nerf, BHVR can consider buffing other killers. I'd love a Sadako buff but that's not the point of the convo here.
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Only noobs played with these addons and experienced nurses preferred other addons that just improved. So until they reduce her lunge or make a more serious nerf, then you should not introduce the nurse into the game at all
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you have no idea what you're talking about ,plz stop
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How can I not know this when I've played Nurse for over a thousand hours. This is not my main killer but if I want to quickly raise the rainbow rank, then this is definitely my choice
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The nurse is especially a problem for players who refuse to challenge themselves and try to progress against her.
Currently, despite her range and/or reload addons, she has counterplay, and can be faced by a competent survivor team.
When 6.5 arrives, this will be even more the case.
Sorry, but git gud.
And speaking of git gud, if those crying on the forum would put as much energy into :
- looking for main nurses to train them in 1V1
- playing nurse themselves, so they can see her weaknesses, and apply them when they play survivor,
- recording the games they play against nurses, in order to watch them afterwards, to see what mistakes they made, and how to correct them
that in the fact of complaining continuously on the forum, it would be a long time that the nurses of the game would have much more complicated games than that.
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"Only noobs played with these addons and experienced nurses preferred other addons that just improved"
Assumptions based on nothing concrete + generalization.
How do you want us to take you seriously? ...
Range and recharge addons are her best addons, in terms of efficiency, and using them doesn't mean that the nurse in question is a noob.
And someone who has actually played the nurse for 1000h should know that.
Normally.
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"Get good" is such a bad way of thinking. Nurse will always be OP, her power was designed in a way that counter ALL of the looping mechanics - it is not like Blight or Spirit which are BOTH really strong but still able to deal with any kind of mechanic - windows, pallets, etc.
I am only asking for a stun timer increase for Nurse so she can suffer a little more from stuns which are hard to do and making DS viable against her, not even asking for something big. Why act like this? Pallet stun is not even a big deal for Nurse, hardly anyone can do that against her, Head On? If you know the survivor has it, you won't even get stunned a second time, DS? It will just make her suffer from tunneling (which is the entire purpose of the perk) like any other killer. Sorry but let's be honest here, you're just being biased to your main and it shows.
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I'm sorry, but "get good" is just a reality.
As much as I have no problem with nurses not being able to use Starstruck or NOED anymore, I don't think you should go overboard either.
As I've said over and over again, even in 6.4, the nurse was not all powerful.
So she will be even less powerful in 6.5, where she doesn't have any range or recharge addons.
At some point, players who complain about the nurse should question themselves and ask the right questions.
I've asked countless times for players who cry against the nurse to show us videos of them playing against her: nobody did (only one person, but it didn't prove anything in the end so ...); why? What are they afraid of? Maybe they are afraid that we will see that they are in fact bad when they face the nurse ...
I asked quite a few times what the players who cry against the nurse were doing to get better against her? No one answered. Yet
It's typical of a part of the DbD community: complaining, coming to cry, asking for this or that character to be removed, or nerfed enough to look like nothing or to look very much like many players' idea of the "ideal killer": a useless thing that they could loop without worrying for 10 minutes while being half afk.
Sorry, but the nurse is the most powerful killer in the game, and against her, you'll have to be a bit more competent.
At worst, ask Hens333 or other players like him to give you lessons.
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You're just trying to prove your point cause you main her, and that's just it. I don't need to show anything to prove the point Nurse is a problem to the game, the only thing she deals with is walls and depending of the map it's not even that much of a problem unless the map is Lerys or RPD at least, and I play well against Nurse, I just think some small adjustments like this one is totally fine, and if you play Nurse, a stun timer increase would definitely not affect you at all so don't try to act smart. I am not even asking to kill her or delete her or make her how bad Freddy is nowadays.
Why are you complaining about a stun timer increase if it won't affect you at all? You're acting as if a stun timer increase will kill her. Are you afraid DS will make you suffer from tunneling someone in the start of the game so you can't 4K so easily? or embarrassed that you can be stunned with a pallet and won't be able to blink right after? Let's start using your "point of view". I won't be able to tunnel so easily? Maybe I should get good playing Nurse.
These adjustments they gave to Nurse is not even a real nerf to Nurse, it's just a way to make her way less broken that she was previously. I will remain with the argument: Blight and Spirit both suffers from DS, Pallet, Head On, windows, any kind of stun and everything and they are both fine (except some addons which are overpowered) so why can't Nurse especially if it's a hard thing to do with her?
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I'm not trying to prove anything, because I don't need to.
You may not be able to get good results when you face the nurse, but not everybody does. There are plenty of survivors who have no trouble having fun when they face her.
The nurse is fine as she is now (she was already in 6.4...)
She no longer has any range addons.
She no longer has any recharge addons.
She can no longer One Shot.
Her "tp-back" addon has become useless.
She doesn't need more nerf.
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Nurse was born during a time when the devs gave practically no consideration at all to balance when designing a new mechanic... and it shows.
Comp players like Hens will tell you, against a Nurse who knows what they're doing, there's nothing you can do but lead the Nurse to an inconvenient area of the map, and die. Macro play becomes the main deciding factor in Nurse matches.
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Nurse was never fine, and will never be. The killer was literally made to counter everything, her basekit is already way too strong to the point you do not need perks to win. Just look at Spirit, she was broken back then, and now she is mostly fine - only some addons from her are overpowered but she has a counter, you have an idea where she is phase walking and how close she is to you during a chase, and yet she deals with everything and the nerf she got did not even kill her.
And let's look at the game as a casual game since it is what it is - not a competitive game. Also, MOST of the competitive matches against Nurse are 4K if they know what they are doing. The only thing that matters in these kind of the matches are how many gens are done.
Stop acting like as if asking for the stun timer increase is such a big deal to a killer like Nurse, you're acting like I am asking to nerf Freddy or Sadako.
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"you do not need perks to win"
Why do even the best nurses in the game use perks, then?
Why do the nurses who play in tournaments use perks?
Go practice, instead of talking nonsense.
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You're the one talking nonsense here because you do not want to deal with a mechanic that hardly affects Nurse.
They use it because it is a competitive match, not a public match? Are you seriously asking questions like this one? Why do you think some perks and addons are/were banned to Nurse in a competitive match? Why do you think other killers in a competitive match do not deal with perks like DS, DH, etc but Nurse does?
Nurse is a problem to the game's balance, it is just pure facts you just need to accept it. The nerf she received was not even a big nerf to good players that plays her - so why are you crying about it? You think every match is a competitive match? Not even 10% or even 5% of the playerbase is a competitive SWF, just be real.
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The nurse is not a problem for the balance of the game. Only for the sanity of the players who don't have the balls to admit that they can't be good enough to play against her or who play SoloQ and are surprised that their team gets opened by a nurse.
The funny thing is that every time I say that even the very good nurses in the game can be challenged by an organized team, strangely enough, all the people who are constantly crying on the forums say nothing.
It's quite representative of the mentality of some people in the DbD community: when it's about coming to cry, then no worries, there are people, but on the other hand, when it's about showing a little bit of wetness and showing his gameplay, just to illustrate his words, no one.
What are people afraid of? To show that they are in fact incompetent and can't stand more than 3 seconds in front of a nurse? Or maybe they're afraid that we'll see that they actually play in teams so incompetent that it's a feast for the killer, every game?
Maybe, but that's the problem of the team, not the killer.
""you do not need perks to win"
You should have said, "The nurse is strong enough to be able to do without perks against SOME survivors, but against others, if she does, she'll get caught off guard very easily."
But I admit that's immediately much less sexy, and not to help the anti-nurse argument.
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Nurse is a problem to the game's balance, and that is my opinion. If you do not agree - it's up to you. Like someone already said here, she was created during a time that balancing was not taken into consideration. I am only asking for some small adjustments to her, not even asking to delete her and let's be honest if she was not part of the game, this game would be even more balanced around killers like Freddy, Sadako, Pig, etc. So just let's just agree to disagree, you do not agree with me and I do not agree with you.
You're pretty much biased towards Nurse, so I am not gonna discuss anymore with you, have a nice day.
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No, he says that's right, the nurse is incredibly strong. Only addons that no one used were nerfed.
And I myself play nurse without perks and win without problems. If you need to take the rainbow rank, I take it and do not feel any difficulty.
See how it wins 500 games in a row without perks and draw conclusions
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Who did 500 wins in a row without perks ?
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2023 and you ask what is Google? Moreover, read the previous comments where they discuss different streamers who scored 500 victories on a nurse without perks. My personal chain was around 50 and I know guys who have done 100+
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IMO nurse still needs nerfs. But those nerfs should strictly be in fixing her bugs. She is super strong, but you actually can play against her now. Still - it's not cool that stunning her (getting label and points for it in top right corner) even if she is not in fatigue sometimes does not register at all. Or that she can attack you even before she finishes her blink (which is not how she should work according to wiki). If these things are fixed, then she is already mostly fine.
I would still not be opposed if stun drained her charges, but that would be a bonus.
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You are not answering my question.
Who has won 500 times in a row WITHOUT using perks?
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Someone who has nothing better to do than playing Nurse. But when you ask how many times you meet his Nurse than its radio silence. Or how many times you go against Nurse player what has his skills and more. So another irellevant proof for need of Nurse´s nerfing. And that 500 so called is pre nerf. So another irellevant point.
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Idd like to see evidence of Nurse still being oppressive reflected in the Data.
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How? The data always share that Nurse is the weakest killer.
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Easy.
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dude you are just crying because you lost against otp nurse. Man she's fine so get out of here
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I don't think you understood at all what I was trying to get across.
He was talking about a nurse who had 500 wins in a row WITHOUT perks.
Which is not true.
No nurse has made 500 wins in a row WITHOUT perks.
And of course, the reason why he doesn't dare to answer me is simply because he knows/understands that he can't give a correct answer.
That's all.
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