Freddy is in such a sad state atm

-"Its pretty sad to see the state Freddy is currently in"

The top 5% of Freddy players seem to be getting a 62% kill rate. His kit got nerfed but he can still do some neat tricks like now he can put snares across a vault or pallet and he could not do that before.

HIs snare count was too high before but the speed of the snare should not have been touched. Roll back that one part and he would be fine.

If you're a dream pallet freddy player then I can imagine your pain.

I don't get why people consider him boring. Weak? Sure, but boring? I enjoy the teleports, faking teleports, etc. Love faking a teleport twice and then popping on the third and the survivors are right there.

Dream pallets are great when they work. Definitely one of those - okay as long as not SWF type things.

In a video Otz referred to him as 'if you have an ADHD like brain, this killer is awesome' - there's lots of minor things you have to constantly be doing with him.

Also, that shadow he casts is awesome.

I honestly think If you are fan of the movies and you buy him you deserve to get a refund

He definitely needs a buff, he's currently like a jack of all trades master of none. Which isn't great for a dbd killer.

The concept of the dreamworld so the OG freddy seemed interesting to me, i just hope they find a way to bring it back with better execution.

In Theory, calmly working on a gen, to hearing some weird lullaby and then be summoned to some hellish fake out dream world getting chased sounds fun and scary as heck. Especially if you cant know wether or not he is after you when you suddenly fall asleep.

I do not agree. I think freddy is up there with top 3 worst killer in the game. only trapper and myer base-kit is worse but trapper and myer at least have strong add-on. trapper has iri stone and myer has tombstone add-on's. Clown is also pretty weak at base-kit but once again, he at least has pinky finger which is pretty good add-on for him until dev nerf it to the ground and put -2 bottles permanent on it, then clown will get his permanent pseudo deletion. Freddy has zero good add-on and no real redeeming qualities while having really bad base-kit. Doc has really good 1vs1. he requires a lot of precision and map knowledge to use his shock therapy but if you master his shock therapy, he is very effective tunneller. Current freddy is pretty bad everything. He has bad stealth outside of dream world. He needs m1 hits to activate his ability so people that stay awake make him an m1 killer. His anti-loop when you are in dream world barely works when the pallet is not dropped. pre-dropping pallets makes his snares kinda rubbish. Other killer that have mobility to use gen regression do it better than he does. None of his add-on do anything particularly relevant to help him win. If someone told me freddy was worst killer in dbd, I would believe them. Freddy prophecy of being F-tier killer that excels at legit nothing ended up becoming true. I agree with popular opinion for once. he is F-tier. F-tier for Freddy tier.

In his previous form, I do not think he needed rework because he had redeaming qualities with unlimited wall hack, lower tr for 115% m/s and a massive action speed debuff but he had a lot of drawback in his ability for all these advantages. The drawback were really bad but the positives at least outweigh the negatives. Current freddy has negatives for using his power and barely any positives so I'd argue that current freddy is worse then original freddy. Freddy legit needs rework now but he is unlikely to get one because he already got one. Weaker player did not like facing forever freddy. He was to oppressive for weaker players /shrug.

Why?

When freddy was fun? When he had to wait 7 seconds before hitting a survivor? Or when survivors could wake up mid chase by using self care? Or when he was given snares and all they did was make the survivors screams cause the slow is worse then clown's? Or when he had add-ons that slowed down the game and his only tactics was to bore survivors that they will give up? Or when he uses pallets that are useless against survivors that have half a brain cell and can remember where the real pallets are? He us just a boring killer and nothing will change it

I miss old Freddy, say what you want powerwise but he was so much fun to play with how you could dip in and out of chases because you knew where people were.

It really wouldn't have taken much effort to iron out his kinks. Reworking him was the worst thing that has happened to this game and i'm glad they never did a full scale rework like that ever again

No problem, so just like always, Basic question of rights, surprising then that, with what is happening with Netflix, and that Bubba almost suffered the same fate, that Freddy was not ejected from the roster by the rights holders

I just wonder how they could then at first, have the rights, and what caused the dispute

Any comment on this from BHVR would be great. Was hoping to see this thread with a big red tab bar. But nope.

were you around for freddy-pop or forever freddy???????

I think almost everyone just plays J.Myer+Tombstone piece Myers. I am also laughing when you said that its only "A-tier". That implies that you don't think its S-tier because these add-on with proper build is easily top #1 top #2 build in entire game that only starstruck nurse could rival in term of power-level. Recently since addition of Pinhead and addition of Nemesis, Their perks have elevated Tombstone piece Myer to unprecedented level of power. Previously, Tombstone piece was meme build for Myers where the objective of the build was to find obsession, escape chase 3 times, become 130% then stalk everyone else and instant kill people after reaching 99% EV2. This strategy sounds simple because it is however finding obsession was pretty difficult in a timely manner. if you were facing a Myers, a lot people know his PWYF perk and would hide against it in case he had the add-on. If you didn't finish stalking people before 5 gens were done, then you'd lose with 0-1 kills. Simple killer to beat, right? That is until Nemesis & Pinhead comes along. Lethal Pursuer and Deadlock really ascended this build because they took away weakness of his add-on. With Lethal pursuer+PWYF+Corrupt+Deadlock, Lethal allows you to find obsession right at the start of the trial and CI+Deadlock are such powerful early game slowdown perks that its almost impossible for you to use all 5 generators with this amount of early game delay that these two perk provide. For how easy it is to find obsession, get 3 stacks, stalk everyone and instant kill 2 people with his purple add-on, you would have to be completely new to lose with this build. I am pretty sure that most player could probably go on 100+ win streaks with this add-on combination and perk combination. Its that absurdly strong. Its very hard to counter. The odds that 4 soloq player have distortion to counter Lethal and play perfectly to avoid his instant kill mori is very low.

That is kinda why I said that Myers has lowest skill-floor & lowest skill-ceiling in the game. he is all raw power and not much else. Judith tombstone is also strong with myer's but its overall weaker then tombstone piece because the ability to mori 2 people in 1 ev3 is rare because survivor can just jump in lockers. The 9% slowdown is also large disadvantage for chaining instant moris with add-on. So yes Myer with instant kill mori is very likely an S-tier killer. Not a very skillful S-tier but I digress.

I think corrupt and bloody coil is somewhat overrated. Corrupt intervention is a perk to to safe guard a bad start but when it comes to trapper. he always has bad start and him having good start is meaningless. its wasted perk slot. bloody coil is an easy to counter against trapper. you can disable traps with injured characters. he has normal TR. he cannot stealth you when your disarming traps. he has no anti-shift w tools or gap-close skills. his chase is reliant on you not knowing where his traps are but in swf, you can follow him around and disable any traps he does set. in chase, his setup time is long so the application of using his power in chase is non-existent. this is why iri stone is good for him. it takes away his weakness which is people disablign his traps and following him around. it allows him to put traps at pallets or windows without risk of survivor disabling his traps. if you disable his traps with said add-on, the add-on will re-arm them for him so your wasting your time trying disable traps. it makes him good 3 gen-lock character as he can turn an entire area into deadzone with the add-on. 3 gen-locking has never been easier then now with current gen-kick meta perks. With overcharge/cob/eruption/stbfl, his play-style has never been stronger then now. he plays the game at 1 gen and he either loses or wins based off your ability to break 3 gen. with current strength of these perks, trapper is arguably just as good at holding endless 3 gens as hens showcases with knight with 60 minute games.

As I said, doctor has good 1vs1. the doctor that tru3 or otz faces are not good doctor's. A common strategy for vs doctor is pre-dropping pallets but thanks to his green range electrode add-on, he can prevent survivor from pre-drop pallets which is typically weakness for m1 killers. doc has other weakness though. He has no gap-closing or lethality so hold-w with health-states or bodyblocking is strong but i am not entirely sure how common this is in soloq. swf can easily abuse this but its uncommon soloq. to cover this weakness, doctor is big user of STBFL despite having no ability to preserve stacks, its his only option vs bodyblocking and health-state hold-w gameplay. a lot of killer are forced to break safe pallets and god pallets but doctor's ability to apply shock therapy to prevent them from being dropped allows him to counter just about any loop. At least when I play doctor, most of pallets remain standing against me. I barely break pallets as him because I can prevent most of them from being dropped and if they are dropped, I usually get hit for letting survivors drop pallets. Because how good his 1vs1 is at disregarding survivor's skill-level at looping, You can tunnel people with doctor indiscriminately. No survivor will ever be able to loop you for 5 generator if you use his shock therapy perfectly. He is not time efficient at tunneling as other top-tier killers but he is consistent at winning the chase. His biggest enemy like most killer is gen-speed. As long you successfully tunnel 1 survivor out of the game by 4 generator completion, you are very likely to close out the match as doctor. His madness slowdown and tracking can easily close out 3vs1 without much contest.. I would not say he is top tier but he is far from worst killer in the game. I used to main him for like first 3 years of dbd back when he was a lot worse. After his update, he was a lot stronger. I still play him occasionally but I have other interests in other killers more so then him.

Any time I think about the state Freddy's in, I take a moment to remind myself that this is 2010 remake Freddy that is being tortured and not the original 1984 Freddy, which is enough to get a chuckle out of me, I'll admit. X3

In all seriousness, though, I agree that Freddy needs... something. I don't pretend to know what that something should be, but he definitely needs something.

People have already touched on his addons being underwhelming, to put it mildly, and I definitely agree. Though there are some neat things you can do. Pair Surveillance with Outdoor Rope and you basically become a gen jockey sonar detector... assuming anyone's actually in the dream world.

Why are the alarm clocks even a thing? Even if they didn't grant the 30 second immunity to Freddy's power, why should it be so easy to escape the dream world? Against a horror icon that amplifies his lethality by keeping you asleep, being able to wake up by yoinking a magic clock just sounds silly. I really like the mechanic of the wake up action taking longer and longer each time. If the clocks weren't a thing, that might actually come into play. Every time someone wakes you up, it becomes progressively more and more of a struggle to escape the place that's trying to kill you. I feel like that would fit thematically, a never-ending nightmare that, while possible to escape, is increasingly more and more difficult to as Freddy tightens his hold on you.

I honestly preferred the original Freddy power over the current one. I don't claim to know what's best for Freddy, but if he returned to his original state with tweaks to improve his performance in modern Dead by Daylight, I'd be ecstatic.

Speaking of original Freddy's power from strictly a lore perspective and not a gameplay one, everything Freddy did just made sense. Pulling survivors into the dream world manually gave their transition into the nightmarish landscape more meaning. It wasn't just a side effect of smacking a survivor, it was its own action that ended up serving multiple purposes once they succumbed to sleep. Being able to see survivors outside of his direct area of influence also made perfect sense. You're in his world. He's going to be very much attuned to what's going on in his own plane. It also gives Freddy a sort of feeling of power. If you're a survivor and escaped a chase with Freddy, it can be generally understood that he knows where you are, he knows everything. It gave the impression - real or not - that if you escaped Freddy, it was because he was playing with you and was coming for you later. Of course, from a gameplay perspective we know that Freddy might just have other priorities right at that moment. But just the feel of "escaping" him knowing full well that escape from his immediate vicinity does not mean escape from the Nightmare was something I felt was unique.

I could go on and on, but I feel like anything else I'd have to add would just be reiterating what's been discussed at length already.