Step one would be changing the way his power works so you can select who you want to summon, not have it happen in a predictable order, with some sort of charge system tied to each of them. That way, the yellow ones give you two max charges of a certain Guard, rather than just giving you two in a row.

Change the Iri Company Banner so that it lets you have multiple Guards at once, but with some sort of basekit demerit, on top of having to wait for the charges for all of them to come back. I'd remove the exposed stuff from Knight's Contract, but that really sounds more like the sort of effect you want to give a group banner. Actually arrange people to be trapped. Plus a general fix to the power so you can't just run straight through the guard and then they go to where they first spotted you (his power needs that in general) :p

Greaves, Poultice, and Flint and Steel shouldn't be restricted to 1/3 to half of your power on a cycle. Also, greaves needs to increase the haste effect that's been added by default (it's currently useless because it doesn't stack) or extend it, not do its own thing.

Not so sure on the ones that are tied up with people escaping from chase or getting hit.

And then we have the problem that Map, Horsemeat, and Call to Arms are all various flavours of 'fix critical weaknesses in getting use out of this ability'.

I'd want to remove exposed from Knight's Contract, but I don't know what would really replace it. If we were going full meme, have it prevent you from summoning, but you can go between bonuses from each of the guards? M1 silliness ahoy. e.g. Carnifex gives you his kick speed, Assassin means you inflict deep wound, jailer... aura read?

its the same problem with a few other killer add ons, a lot of them just apply status effects that aren't going to matter anyways. I do think we should have just gotten add-ons to change his guards timing or chase speed.

So I think with the brown add-on it makes hitting long patrols not that difficult. It's a 50% increase for the detection range for the Assassin/Carnifex(8m base). I would agree more if there wasn't that add-on since I've had it where I felt I landed a really good guard and it didn't go into chase when I wasn't running it.

To me the killer feels way different when running those add-ons vs not. I really don't have anything to complain about when I'm running those two and can't see how the devs could improve the killer without pushing him over the edge. Like if they made max patrol better for the guards then couldn't you do double assassin and the detection range? Seems like that would be the go-to and be super obnoxious.

I disagree with the sentiment that specific addons are needed on him, namely map and horse meat, despite being strong so I'll make the assumption that you can run other addons and do well because reasonably you can.

The Chain Mail Fragment and Broken Hilt should trigger on injuring a survivor in a hunt rather than a guard injuring as it's more consistent and doesn't punish you for going for the quick hit. There is a case for condensing these addons into one but as haemorrhage is very good on the knight I wouldn't mind trying just this to start with. Maybe changing the mangled to broken instead of changing the trigger could be fun too. Town Watch's Torch and Ironworker's Tongs are both very cute and fun but are too similar to warrant having both in the game. The Tong's are stronger but the Torch is more unique so I could go either way. As for a replacement, I wouldn't mind an addon that improves the haste for longer paths, although this is similar to the Lightweight Greaves which doesn't need a change beyond being fixed, or provides some information for kicking gen with a guard like a mini Nowhere to Hide, maybe 8m of the gen for 5 seconds. With Torch and Knight's Contract, I wouldn't mind some kind of counter/token system like with the Legions' bbf addon to help keep track of the effect.

Gritty Lump's effect isn't even a strict benefit and there aren't really "smart" ways to use it as on average the guard staying in a place is just as good as them moving away from it. Perhaps an addon that makes the guards move to the survivor quicker after spotting them or increases how quickly you recover your power, although this is already quite short. Maybe not for the addons which is food to make the guards invigorated in lore, but a transformative addon that lowers hunt time but maybe makes the guards faster or some other benefit could be fun. Similarly, Pillaged Mead isn't useful. You still need to walk around the pallet when using the Assassin or Jailer and the Carnifex breaks them basically instantly anyway so it's no use there and kicking gens faster isn't useful here. Perhaps an addon that allows you to see the aura of the survivor during/after the hunt to help you track them, especially at longer distances.

Finally, the Knight's Contract I'm not massive on but that addon isn't that weak. I don't like exposed on addons but if we're just looking at making weak addons better then perhaps increasing the duration of the effect could work or having it apply when the survivor enters hunt rather than on summon so the knight is more likely to be mobile when it applies. I will admit I suggested a lot of reworks which is a lot of work but many of these addons don't work well with the kit as a whole.

The double guard addons are nice for making unique builds so they should stay and the rest of the addons I feel like are generally strong enough to keep how they are or lead to interesting enough build options to keep around as more fun options, especially the purples. If the Knight had too much of one and not the other, like the Oni not really having interesting addons or Freddy not having good ones, that would be a problem but there's a good enough balance for it to be fine.

You can go without them, but you get a comical amount of "Survivor runs around patrol area or out of patrol area before it triggers" without the map, and the horse meat at least makes Carnifex annoying and Assassin threatening.

I'm really not a fan of the add ons that require your guards to fail their hunts. Town Watch's Torch is particularly horrible. How long does it take to fail 3 hunts? How many times is that even going to happen in a match? Once? Maaaybe twice? And for a whopping 25 seconds of undetectable? Either it should go off every time a hunt fails or the time you get undetectable should be extended to something like 75 seconds.

I've found without running Map the lower detection range guards are not consistent in finding the survivor. That might be because of my playstyle though. I tend to try to cut survivors paths off and then use the speed boost to corral them.

How does he not get value for long range patrols if those snipes results in hits? Like if you are on one side of the map and I snipe you I can then use the guards' aura to see your pathing and use the guard to help corral you. The only thing here is that the time to down is bad. I don't find that to be an issue since there really isn't counterplay vs him.

How does a survivor play better if I run Thrilling Tremors and hit them with a max range patrol? The counterplay there is to pre-leave gens when you hear the TR right? I don't find that to be a healthy addition to his kit. On the survivor side this killer is already miserable to play against and making longer patrols result in hits with the Knight not having to be there feels like expose Nurse. You either play stealthy or you get punished.

He is a high C low B tier killer. You can run full slowdown since chase perks do nothing for him. Honestly feels no different in power to Dredge and Doctor. I don't see any problem with a low skill-ceiling killer when they are already high C/ low B.

i'd remove the add-on system and give the killer a 5th perk. boom. easy buff 💪🏻

Having a variety of skill levels for killer is good. Some killers are going to require more effort than others and the ones that require more effort should always be stronger. If that isn't the case then there is no reason to even touch the harder killers since it requires more effort to play while giving less/same reward. A perfect example of this was forever Freddy vs Demo. In what world would you play Demo when Freddy was stronger and easier to play.

I don't see how you wouldn't look to get your hit and then use a long patrol to then finish the survivor. How would you hide vs a Knight when you are injured? It would be path of least resistance where you want to injure and then long range patrol to get the free down. There wouldn't be much more in terms of skill imo, just more power. The concept of the killer simply leaves little room for counterplay and the weakness for him comes from the fact that the time to down is bad. From how I see it you would just be entirely looking for a long range patrol downs and not the concept of trying to pinch the survivors with the assistance of the guards.

Are we a joke to you? -Pyramidhead, Nemesis, Victor and his sister.

What? That's an inherently terrible argument.

You can't have your game balance be based around the complexity of an ability chosen before the game starts. That's not a viable balancing strategy. "No matter how much you like playing this ability, or how good you get with it, there should be games you'll always lose because it's not as fiddly and unnecessarily difficult as this other power".

Difficult. Should. Not. Equal. Stronger.

It is, in fact, an abdication of game balance.

Because you like their power and want to use it. Or their design.

Your starting point is completely flawed. Your entire argument is based on "harder should be stronger otherwise nobody will play it", but people play a bunch of things that are more difficult without them being stronger (both in this game at times, and in others), whether because of external reasons, or they just enjoy the mechanical complexity.

No it shouldn't. All the Killers should be in a similar ballpark. The most complex ones will probably edge it out in the end because of weird interactions and unexpected power usages, but you absolutely don't want to aim for a stratified game where you set out to punish people for not wanting to play a particular Killer.

Think about what you're saying: if you won't play a more complicated Killer, if you don't like that power or something about the Killer, you automatically deserve to lose more games. Because your character choice is bad and has to stay bad.

Yes because that is how balancing works. It is even like that so much that you even see this in shooters. If a gun is easy to use and high dps it will always be meta. Good balance will always be harder things being the strongest when mastered while the easier being the weakest. Players usually don't gravitate towards badly balanced things(weak). I don't see what is wrong with that unless you think I mean nobody playing it in a literal sense. Obvious players will play it but if it is badly balanced most will avoid it.

That is incorrect. If a bump logic Blight is only slightly better than Freddy then either Freddy is broken or Blight is terrible.

Yea I know what I'm saying. I mean it really is absurd to even think that Blight would be fine balance wise if he was only slightly better than m1 killers. Even if we go to Demo vs Blight there should always be a large gap there since the skill required to play both prefect are night and day different.

Nothing is broken if an easier to use thing doesn't suck. All Killers should be B-Tier to A-Tier, without absurd outliers in every direction. Difficulty of playing the Killer doesn't matter after that; people are going to pick what they like, for whatever reason that is. Yes, you're going to get the people who go straight to the best thing for winning at the least difficulty, but guess what? If the game was balanced, that wouldn't matter. Because this is an asymmetric game, and the only thing that matters is what the actual power level is.

Why? If Freddie was improved to not be so much worse than Blight, why does that mean he's broken? Or that Blight is terrible?

Why. Should. There. Be. A. Gap.

You're not arguing why there should be a gap, or why this is justified. You're asserting that more difficult needs to be stronger, because it's more difficult. Your argument is a closed circle with its entire reliance being on 'people won't play the harder thing as much if it isn't'. Which doesn't even matter? Pick rate is not the be-all and end-all.

My premise is simple: if the game can be more balanced, it will be more fun in general (not so many utter stomps on both sides, and inevitable unwinnable matches). For the game to be more balanced, there needs to not be a yawning chasm in Killer power where you can't do anything to address overall Killer gameplay because you'd buff something that doesn't need it. Therefore, more mechanically complicated Killers, by necessity, need to be somewhere in line with the easiest ones to play.

It's more that if they made snipes also give hits you can injure and then snipe for the easy down. Unlike Spirit you really can't dodge a snipe if the Knight has an idea of where you are since it's only roughly 3 seconds from start to finish to get a guard summoned 32m away. Can't really hide in those scenarios.

I've feel like I get rewarded with long range snipes. It doesn't result in the guard getting the hit but me using the guards' aura and then doing deep cuts to pinch or corral the survivor. I feel it is worth doing long range snipes as long as the survivor isn't in the middle of the map, and I find no risk in really doing them since they are fairly high success rate.

I've been farming dc's on him. I even ended up in a game where I had two players dc after having a fun and interactive chase. I play killers like Nurse and Pinhead and I get nowhere near the amount of dc's on them compared to Knight. I think it really pushes people of the edge when I stand there watching the AI down them in a corner. 😂😂

Map of the Realm and Gritty Lump are must-haves. What they should do is buff the detection distance and speed of the base guards because without these 2 add-ons my guards hardly have a chance of even detecting someone let alone catching them.

You find value in Gritty Lump? I find that letting the guards patrol areas while I do other things really isn't the thing the killer excels at. Keep in mind Gritty does nothing to help down a survivor in chase. The speed only lets the guard patrol for the spot from where you spawned them and your location that you started the cast.

The problem with Knight is that Map of the Realm feels mandatory on him, being easily his best addon, since starting hunts otherwise is considerably harder.

Call to Arms and Dried Horse Meat are also good, but arent addons that should be basekit.

Regarding other addons, largely the green ones specially Chainmail Fragment and Broken Hit.