Dead Hard / Eruption

You always wait it out. Every match, every chase. Its a lot of wait time when additioned.

Adding is rough, especially with variables. BUT. I think its usually over 25. No way am I doing the division to get an average across the average of a ton of games.

Get that spreadsheet nerd from the other thread for that crap!

Why are people comparing these two perks this much. And why do people thing that if one side retrieves a nerf the other side needs a nerf as well for compensation? Eruption is far more unhealthy for the game than DH. It's not even close. Atleast with DH you are allowed to play the game for the next 25 seconds.

The issue with DH is that it creates this baiting out dh until you see another exhaustion perk bit that gets stale like Xendritch said.

I come from league so things getting gutted for the sake of not being useable or meta is a thing and it has kept the game going and growing for a decade. I really don't mind dh that much but I really think is should just be gutted for the sake of it.

SoloQ can counter Eruption.

I got yelled at last night for countering Eruption.

You have to let go of the generator when you think the person being chased will go down.

This works, sometimes(especially if the person the killer is chasing is ********, you will need to let go of the generator a lot.)

This will sometimes, especially with the new icons make your soloQ buddies very angry with you.

This doesn't mean you're going to win, it means you will successful counter Eruption, and likely get yelled at by a ******.

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I doubt it, but we'll see.

I can't really think of any ideas on how they could nerf it without entirely redesigning the perk.

Here's my hot take though - DH shouldn't be an exhaustion perk and should become a one-time-use perk like Decisive. The fact that survivors can repeatedly get a free, third-health state every time their exhaustion meter goes down always has, and always will be, horribly unfair. Rather than it being a constant 'get out of jail free' card for survivors to extend every single chase with the killer, it would require more strategy and they'd have to be more selective about when they choose to use it.

It was a horrible perk pre 'nerf' and one could actually argue that it wasn't a nerf by any means and was more of a buff.

DH is fine

People who defend one perk and blame the other are biased, period. Despite i consider myself a killer main i consider myself equal regarding the judgment of some things (mainly because i played survivor too for a good chunk of my total playtime). i still think that both perks need a COMPLETE rework for various reasons, making them completely different from the actual ones.

You answered your own question by stating the fact that it’s a game.

I mean if you want to take the entire match into account, then Eruption can trigger multiple times per match and can take out multiple survivors in one proc (for 25 seconds at a time), while regressing each generator it's activated on by 10%, plus up to another 6.25% from the default regression rate while a survivor recovers from incapacitated, which can only be stopped if an unaffected survivor comes and works on the generator.

The perk is massively overtuned at the moment. It needs a reduction in Incapacitated time.

I mean, you can't really consistently counter Eruption. Unless you're on a 4 stack with good communication, there's no way to communicate when everyone is going to go down.

Plus, even if you happen to not be on an affected generator, it still regresses by 10%. This can happen on multiple generators, and it's pretty common to have it set up like this.

I was going to answer him but i think you did it a lot better. Thanks!

Let's be honest here. Wiating is NOT fun for anyone. Waiting for Dead Hard until the survivor uses it is not fun. Waiting for Eruption to go off (and i mean, before the survivor is put down, so you don't get the incapacitated effect) is not fun.

You don't know when the other survivor is going to be down (unless you are in comms or see him directly). You don't know when the other survivor is going to E you. Funny is, the base is the same for both perks.

Eruption needs a solid nerf (and it got it, it left it in the trash can tho, but that's another story) and so DH. "Waiting while doing nothing" should never be the counterplay to a perk.

The thing that you are probably thinking: "I cannot juist wait until a surv is put down because what if the survivor just takes like 60 seconds to be put down!? Should i do nothing for 60 seconds?!"

Do you think kilers like to wait 3-5 seconds on every survivor on every wounded health state? In total time that can be a solid 50-60 seconds of "doing nothing", and that's counting the killer did successfully hooked every survivor on every first chase. Not counting the times where the killer has to stop chasing after getting E'd becasue the chase was getting so long, the times where survivors dont get hooked and just heal, etc.

Many factors can be said for both perks, but both of them share the same basics: "They get countered by doing nothing until they pop off. And that's not fun for anyone."

That's another story i just forgot! True, there are some killers with M2 powers that are really easy to E in reaction and they are left with high cooldowns.

As unpopular as it is to say, Eruption is a counterable perk. I also don't waste my Eruption time, when I'm hit with it, I'm off and on my way to the unhook, or stepping back and trying to mentally organize the field. The perk was like Noed with less of a "W" to find it and break it counter and more of a pay attention, and make reasonable choices solution.

The time wasted vs time wasted compared to Dead Hard across a match is I think, comparable.

In actually use(I used Eruption exclusively across all killers I played for like 3 months) it was unlikely it would hit 2+ survivors on a single generator. In practice I would get use of Eruption on the first gen I kicked, and wouldn't notice it until mid game because I would always be in a chase at that time. I would get late game value when gens wound down to 3-4, and this is the usage period that always generated after game hate.

Compared to Dead Hard, which regardless of what I take or do, I can swing at and wait, or wait and swing at. Neither one of us can produce numbers to settle the issue. We can only estimate based on our experience with the tools and the rolls they benefit. Eruption has clear potential to waste far more time, I seldom saw it do so. The relatively small amount of time wasted by dead hard per survivor is generally constantly present across the entire match.

The goal of my earlier post was to remind people that Dead Hard does indeed waste time. It waste time if you use it. It waste time if you assume it is present. It waste time in games its not even present in because its the most selected perk. Eruption doesn't have this magic, in practice.

I'm being as objective as possible, with both of these, to be blunt, my hidden agenda is I would rather neither perk was changed. Both seemed fine to me.

They will never do anything about it. The devs are survivor-sided and incompetent while at it. I mean, this game is 7 years old and it still crashes regularly and lets not even talk about balance because the only balance there is, is survivors buying cosmetics balance and as such they will cater to their every whim. The only recourse killers have is letting the game die. Just don't play because we will never see anything good being added to the game. Survivors will cry and mommy BHVR will step in to nerf the ever living crap out of whatever it is. Eruption wasnt even that good and yet here we are. Last of the mediocre at best perks got nerfed... What a surprise...