Isn't it overkill to add standard features only for Survivors?

Sorry but if you think these changes did ANYTHING to solo players, you are lost.

You're looking at a .3 second change and assuming that's the entirety of the buff. It's not the whole picture.

Let's look at what the entire 6.1.0 patch did for a standard M1 hit against a survivor. So, no perks involved here in this at all, this is now base kit (current) compared to an identical situation before 6.1.0:

The survivor gets a burst of speed when hit and moves at 6.6 m/s briefly. Before, this was 2.0 seconds for a total of 13.2m, and currently this is 1.8 seconds, for a total of 11.88m. So the survivor gains 1.32m less distance when hit from before. For a standard 4.6m/s killer, it takes 2.2 seconds less time to catch up to the survivor now than before with just this change.

Now, the killer also spends less time 'blade wiping' because of the 6.1 buff. Before, the killer spent 3 seconds moving at 0.46m/s and after 6.1 it's only 2.7 seconds at that speed. So those last .3 seconds are moving at 4.6 instead of 0.46, meaning that, previously, the killer would lose an extra 1.062m of distance on the survivor, but now actually gains distance instead. The net gain is 1.242m, which reduces the time to catch up to the survivor by another 2.02 seconds.

So just those two 'trivial' changes together cut 4.22 seconds off of every chase.

And the best part is that map geometry doesn't factor into this at all. If a survivor can get to a loop in the current game, they would've gotten to it before as well. And if they can't get to a loop currently, they might've with an extra 4.22 seconds previously available before the 6.1 buffs.

Yeah, that 4.22 seconds off sounds alright on paper until you consider how long it still takes to catch people in practice on an M1 killer. It's not palpable unless you have at least 6 STBFL stacks and the force is with you. Just like before 6.1, you'll hit somebody and they're virtually guaranteed distance to the next safety (most of the time with multiple options) unless they run into a dead-zone by mistake or get snagged on something. Only real difference now is it just doesn't feel like it's taking a year to get back into the action. Chances are they're still getting that pallet/window with plenty of leeway...just less leeway now.

So yeah I'd still call those buffs "trivial" for sure. Makes no difference to a lot of the people I go against as a leaderboard ghostface.

Might pull something off with stbfl, pwyf and coup de grace, but I doubt a build like that would hold water in the end.

Yeah I hear arguments that hook counter would promote tunneling but in fact I usually end killing survivors accidentally because of it or even accidentally tunneling.... One information killer could get in my opinion is to show who has dh while injured so you don't have to bait it out when someone does not have it.

instead of telling me that's nosense explain to me why it's nosense and why it was changed for your opinion... Iron will was tweaked mainly for that reason since people complained that survivors with that perk alone completely countered the spirit, without counterplays (plus stridor received the same treatment if not worse)

DS as i already said was tweaked but it's still useful... remember that you still have the basekit bt that allow you to reach a safe zone, and even in the case you can't reach it in time due for being too much far, DS will help you in that regard... it's still a 2nd chance perk pretty much effective if you know how to gain the maximum advantage from it

no it won't depend from the build and the killer... this it could be considered valid only with blight and nurse, everyone else rely too much of the mistakes that survivors do paired wth the fact of being extremely map dependant (a trickster/huntress/deathslinger for example won't do much in maps with high walls and obstacles due to the impossibility of using their powers; ghostface, myers, pig and wraith can't do much when in maps like ormond, haddonfield, badham, corn maps due to being easily spotted/unable to stalk properly). Btw if a killer like twins will down someone in a short amount of time as you said then the twins are facing awfully bad survivors imo.

i never said that it wasn't from both sides, but i wanted to point out that survivors have the upper hand since their items/addons are ALL useful (except the ones for the keys minus the one that reveal the killer's aura to you), not to mention that killers have those items available even before the rework of the bloodweb (i stil have A LOT of those items wth various killers that i don't even use anymore, leveled up BEFORE the bloodweb changes), while the killers usually have ONLY a couple of addons that are worth to be taken

regarding the last point do you like doing gens? That's the reason why it's not popular, but it's busted af, especially when aganist competent survivors... shall i post a video that show to you how much strong this can be? https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nco8WCnAziE

They thought of doing that when they gave survivors that information. But they thought that it would benefit tunnelers allot and they were right. Instead they added the bar that shows you how many you have in total. This was when the new UI was added.

When I said 'Toolbox greens' I meant the green add-ons for toolboxes.

You mean the sabotage supporting stuff?

Please take those out(not serious). Having survivors reveal early in the match that optimal play involves slugging them all, is not fun. For either side.

Now, to be honest, I mostly see BnPs loaded and not the sabo items, but those greens do support a style of play that I see often enough in SWF that want to annoy the killer, and I wouldn't seriously advocate cutting their game play options down.

So, yes, those add ons do support a play style.

So it WAS nerfed! Why did you deny that in the first place if you're just going to circle back and sneak in a little admission that you were dead wrong later on?

You realise you're talking about post-conspic DS, right? A perk that, in well over 90% of matches, would never fire, right? A perk that sat in the majority of survivors loadouts, slowing them down without activating, right?

I can't understand how you think that anti-tunnel DS is in any way comparable to non-totem NOED, old moris, infinites or keys.

I will remind you of what I said: "The perk is dead weight in any situation in which the killer uses any of the plethora of ways to circumvent it. "

NOED could not be circumvented. Old moris could not be circumvented. Keys could not be circumvented.

DS? Just don't hit spacebar on anyone that was unhooked in the last 60 seconds, unless they did anything to help the survivor side. It was the easiest perk to counterplay, to completely flatline its value. I have been hit with DS literally only -once-, when I was a dumb newbie and fell for a bait. After that, even though DS was in every match, it never fired again. At all. Ever. Not for a lack of trying on the survivors' part, either, but DS is a survivor perk that can only be activated by the killer.

If a perk is so phenomenally conditional that it may fire once every fifty matches, it better bring some fireworks when it does.

NOED does not fit that description. Old moris don't fit that description. Old keys don't fit that description.

Seriously evaluate your biases, Tostapane, if you think that post-conspic nerf DS is in any way comparable to old moris.

I'm not talking about survivors staying near after getting hit by Trickster or Huntress' powers. I'm talking about the on-hit cooldown being reduced, allowing these killers to ready their powers quicker after the hit and being able to score downs that they wouldn't before the killer buffs.

Did you forget the topic?

Most killer add-ons don't tack on penalties either though...

Game would be fundamentally broken if you could.

So Iron Will made it so that you couldn't be heard before at all, and now you can be heard. That's not a total gutting, not at all. I mean, the one purpose the perk has is now undone by hitting the 'volume up' button, but that's not a total removal of functionality, not at all. And it now can't be used with exhaustion perks, that's not gutting it either. Sure.

Yes, and DS was not one of those, that was the entire bloody point! You're using your opinion as an argument here, in that YOU think that DS deserved to be cut by half because of a tangentially related thing.

Stop. Doing. This.

You KNOW that what you are saying is dumb. You KNOW that this is not practically applicable. You KNOW that old NOED and Moris would be guaranteed to proc during a normal match, over the course of normal gameplay.

You KNOW that this is not the case for DS.

After the conspic nerf, no, it wasn't.

I've only been hit with DS once, and it was 100% my own fault and perfectly avoidable.

DS is not abusable. People have tried abusing it against me, and they wound up stretched out on the floor while I ignored them and went for a target that wouldn't have DS, costing them more time than me.

You know, it's ever worse than that. It's not so much that counters existed.

It's that the killer needs to intentionally and actively, willingly and wittingly, invest time and effort to make DS work.

The KILLER is the one that activates DS. Nothing the survivors do can make DS trigger. ONLY the killer can make DS trigger. It's not even that there's counters to it, it's just that the killer can pretty much opt out of DS.

Not if you're a competent killer.

But this also highlights a major problem with your attitude, and that of many others: You think tunnelling should be the baseline. You want everything to be balanced for tunnelling, only to then turn around and go 'WOE IS ME!' when you feel 'forced to tunnel'. You don't accept non-tunnelling as the balancing point.

It is YOUR fault that you can't win without tunnelling, no matter which way you try to argue it. Even if you want to argue that the game is not balanced around 12-hooking, that is also on you if you insist that the DS nerf was fair. That is YOU pushing the game to be balanced around tunnelling.

Don't cry when you get what you demanded and then it turns out that it wasn't what you wanted.

No, you still specifically went after the target that was pulled off the hook in the last 60 seconds before they had the chance to do anything else! You targeted them, you could've picked anyone else, especially as legion, but you went after a fresh unhook.

Because there's literally no other way DS can hit you.

It is YOUR fault. YOU activated DS, not them.

How are you burning through all these second chances then, huh? Slapping folks off hook with BT, but you're not 'camping'? Getting hit with DS, but you're not 'tunnelling'? Folks standing up after you left them on the ground for too long, but you're not 'slugging'?

Right. Sure. Uh-huh.

So ONE of the six buffs that killers got may conditionally not be as valuable and that's reason for you to disregard ALL of them in their entirety under ANY situation?

You're the one trying to argue that killers DIDN'T get improved access to more powerful add-ons, by again, going into cherry-picked examples and using those to make a broad, sweeping statement.

No, they won't. Because after your first chase, someone's on hook, someone's getting chased, and someone HAS to go for the unhook. That leaves only one survivor on gens. ANY level of inefficiency on the part of ANY of those survivors drops progress rate down to 0%.

But that's also not addressing how the build is dependent on a ton of factors, is still somewhat unreliable, leaves the survivor a sitting duck for anything that isn't doing gens, it doesn't work against TR shenanigans, and it also doesn't address that this doesn't show the rest of the match.

In short, you're cherry-picking. Again.

Sure. If that'll help you sleep.

Absolutely no wiggle progress bar, killers would just drop you and leave you slugged if they -knew- they couldn't make it to a hook anymore.

Yes, it is. Any time someone manages to wriggle off, it's because the killer doesn't know the wiggle progress. Giving them that would make wiggling fully and completely pointless instead of just mostly pointless.

Then they will balance the game accordingly. Making SoloQ experience worse will just kill this game. I can't understand people complaining about giving a buff to the most problematic/bad part of this game - The SoloQ surv.

yes yes keep saying nosense. i'm done to speak with you since you are like all the people who main one side: dumb and happy with the actual state of the game... i could stay here to reply to everything that you said because you didn't understand how things goes on dbd, but it would be a waste of my time

LMAO it would do the exact opposite you're saying. A killer isn't going to pick a survivor on no hooks over a survivor on death hook to chase you're just saying stupid things now. Im so done w you. "accidental tunneling" LMAOOO

So you have never played against a group of Megheads with the same outfit and didn´t know which one you hooked?

How exactly is the chase mechanic helping in that regard when the killer can´t see which survivors (Megs) he has already hooked?

Megheads often try to confuse the killer by constantly crossing path while already in a chase, body blocking, etc. Chase indicator lits up for all of them. How is the killer supposed to keep track on who he hooked? Hell, i know survivors that lose track on who was hooked if they don´t look at the counter.

Because you claimed that killers can´t accidentally tunnel. But they can. Sure, most of the time its not accidental. BUT it happens. Especially when survivors wear matching outfits. Even big streamers have matches where they go on like "wait, he was on death hook?!"

The point is, that a killer who starts a match with the mindset of tunneling someone out, will tunnel no matter the information he is given. Survivors have a overload of information and killers get starved on critical information.

That doesn´t seem fair.