Decisive Strike Stopped tunnelling now its all you see since it’s useless
Why is decisive strike 3 seconds I get chased off hook all the time just to use my DS to get downed a second later unless I’m literally a arms reaching distance from a pallet otr is useless cause of basekit bt If killers tunnelling to win is a STRAT and not cheap why punish us and take away the only thing preventing it when the perk changes happen next mid chapter I hope the devs have a look at this perk because ever since the nerf id say 70% of my games are getting tunnelled out and the fact you can only use it once and it turns off when the gens are done it’s pathetic excuse for a perk now
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Is it kinda sad that it still is the best anti tunneling perk in the game. Even after the nerf.
Because Survivors have no good anti tunnel perks.
Because who cares about off the record, you are hit them in the BT timer anyway. And the perk reveals itself to the killer by the noise removal.
DS is kinda bad, but survivors also have no other options. Just hope you are good in chases to make the killer waste too much time to win i guess.
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yeah that’s what I mean otr is just plain bad I am good In chase to and try my best for the team but honestly I’ve gotten to the point where when they tunnel I just dc when a killer commits to a survivor for multiple gens then just won’t leave them alone all game cause they made that mistake and I don’t dc when I get tunnelled once btw this is b2b multiple times a day and it’s just draining what am I meant to do especially with strong chase killers ds is just a joke to killers now and it’s bad that killers feel like they can tunnel with no consequences there is no what if they have ds now they just pick up lol and it’s just very dry gameplay
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Just revert the timer back to 5 seconds. Its easy and solves the issue. Off the record was only a good anti tunnel perk when endurance stacked in the ptb. That was good change, but the perk is just pointless now.
Its a bodyblocking perk for killers that play nice at best. Great design, punish killers that play nice, but tunnels are still free
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i couldn’t agree more
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Off the Record is amazing. You basically have 3 perks in 1. You have endurance, immunity to aura reading, and a built-in iron will. Off the Record paired with Dead Hard and Adrenaline is absolute hell for a killer to deal with. Off the Record is one of those perks where even if you don't think you are getting value, you probably are.
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basekit bt my friend I’d rather run iron will dead hard don’t work with otr and if you are getting tunnelled the killer will hit you through basekit bt I just want this tunnelling camping problem to have a counter cause it don’t ds is good for the no deep wound a five second buff is needed tbh we don’t need more endurance in our life
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Base-kit BT only lasts 10 seconds whereas OTR lasts for 80, as long as you don't do a conspicuous action. If you use OTR's endurance and hold your Dead Hard until after you lost your endurance effect, you can take 2 hits while being injured. Often killers will either lose out on gens for chasing you or he has to drop chase. Dead Hard + Off the Record seems to be what works best for dealing with tunneling.
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but dh don’t work with otr not saying it might not help you but the killers I face that tunnel tunnel I’m gonna test it again to see if it helps at all but usually I get no value whatsoever with basekit bt I run nerfed ds but that’s just like stepping on the killers toes for a sec then dying
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I don't know what you mean exactly by DH not working with OTR. You essentially have 2 endurance effects, just 1 of them you have to earn through timing the Dead Hard right. DS is pretty meh now and the lack of distance you get is not worth it for me. A good build I would try out to fight tunneling would be something like: DH, OTR, Windows, and Adrenaline. Give it a spin, you might be surprised at how many killers will drop chase due to these perks.
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Cause if you do a dead hard with otr one cancels out the other as endurance does not stack and if you get hit through basekit bt both becomes useless but im gonna give it a try I still think ds needs its five seconds back tho
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You have to wait to use Dead Hard before you tank a hit with OTR. If you wait for the killer to hit you with OTR, you still have Dead Hard up to use. So you would have 2 endurance effects. You can't use DH before you tank a hit with OTR.
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I’m gonna play a few matches and I’ll report my findings lol but I remember it being very mid last time I tried to get value out of it
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Dude, no. If you have deep wound effect, the endurance won't protect you from going down. The only effect that protects you is Mettle of man.
The order doesn't matter.
What people use is combine those two with DS to remove the Deep wound effect and let you use DH.
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DS is fine like it currently is. It isn’t as powerful as it used to be. . . It doesn’t need to be.
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Against maybe half the cast. But against killers like Nurse, blight, spirit, huntress etc... The perk might as well do nothing. 2 seconds of stun, because the first second the survivor can't move is just not enough distance
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Yeah face a nurse or blight and that is trying to tunnel you and I doubt you will have the same opinion
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Really? Damn I thought you could DH in deep wound. My bad, I swear I thought you could. I suppose DS + DH would be better, or SB + OTR.
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The order has to be
1) Be unhooked
2) Tank OTR hit to be deep wounded, then go down.
3) DS the killer (Which removes deep wound)
4) Continue the chase and be able to use DH
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That did work on the 6.1 ptb, but that never made live servers. No problem xD
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Done with this stupid game pre 64 nurse on dead dawg tunnels all game got all the gens done wouldn’t even hook me slugged everyone as nurse HAHAHA otr helps right nah and DS is unhealthy for end game yeah right how pathetic
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Not directed at anyone here this game is just pathetic and killers complain when I get that
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Why make DS unavailable at crucial times especially when you get sweats like that ruins the whole fun of the game wouldn’t of helped anyways cause she was tunnelling all game but that’s me and dbd done ######### dbd it’s #########
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Ahhh I see. I am an avid Sprint Burst user so my Dead Hard knowledge is a little lacking lmfao.
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I think you might need a break. This game can really make you rage and loose all cool.
Honestly, i need to play with friends to not go insane sometimes. But take a break. I do hope that the next patch which will be focused on perk changes will bring a buff to DS. Well, i am hopeful at least.
But don't expect DS to be active in end game. As killer it was really ######### having survivors getting unhooked and just trolling me at the end game because i couldn't pick them up or slug them because all gens were already done and the survivor was invincible, he just wanted to rub it in, waste my time and teabag. DS at the end game can be abused way to much because the killer lost all other possible objective or pressure for it to fair.
I really just want the 5 second stun to be back and punish tunneling
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I play mostly 2nd tier killers (knight, most recently, Demo). When I did play Nurse. . . . I got just good enough to be mostly proficient.
I guess I don’t see survivors struggling much against me. Only when they get butthurt and DC on first hook.
3 seconds is 12 meters, which the killer can catch up in 7 seconds if everyone goes a straight line. Can’t you get to a tile in 7 seconds?
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Yeah bro I think I’m gonna take a break this game is draining the life out of me and I only play solo q the nurse done it for me and yeah end game is abit op but like what’s gonna stop this ######### all I want to do is play fair 4gen slowdown and tunnelling is solo q just feels suffocating this is my main game and I love it but just ######### I might sound dramatic but it’s just a bad situation if DS don’t get a buff I don’t see me playing long it gives me a migraine playing solo q atm
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read my most recent experience with the game and you will understand why ds needs to be buffed pre 60 something nurse running 4 gen slowdown we got the gens done she tunnelled all game then slugged us at the end and wouldn’t let us just move on not to mention 3 gens and just gens blowing up in your face all the time
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The problem is that for the first second of stun the survivor can't move.
And for killers like nurse and blight there is just no time. They get to you instantly
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Its like Hex:Ruin.
Its overnerfed
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Difference is that DS' 5s stun was there to counter Enduring.
So not overnerfed but rather "let's finally undo that one buff we did to counter Enduring"
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That is wrong. DS launched with a 5 second stun. But back in the day Enduring used to reduce the DS stun.
DS was changed many times, some of them where to the stun time. And some versions made the perk bad.
Eventually enduring got reworked to not work against DS and DS got his stun locked to 5 seconds
Until the 6.1 patch.
Its not good with this current stun. Some killers can literally ignore it and down you in 3 seconds, like nurse and blight. Because survivors can't move for more than the 1st second of the stun animation. The distance you gain is very minimal.
And of course you don't see killers afraid of it. I am not afraid of it when playing killer, even when its really obvious when a survivor has it. I don't feel punished, i am not afraid of it. It honestly feel empowered taking that stun, while before i was afraid and needed to be very careful to not pick up the same guy or knew the risk if i resorted to tunnel someone.
DS is weak. A perk like DS shouldn't make me happy to get hit by it, thats how i know that the perk was hit way to hard
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Dear lord, the takes you read in this forum...
OTR is currently the best survivor perk in the game. You can make it out of any deadzone and to a safe pallet, and you can bait the killer into an unproductive tunnel when paired with DS, another very strong perk.
Picture the following: killer chases me for first chase, 3 gens get done. I go down, killer hooks and decides to proxy camp because he has 1 hook and 2 gens left. Teammate unhooks unsafely, killer decides to tunnel. Can't wait out BT because I have OTR. Takes an M1 because he has to. I run to a very strong area of the map and greed pallets until I go down. Killer picks up, I hit DS with 10 seconds left to spare, I slap killer with it and I start predropping pallets. Killer is about to down me and hits DH. Last gen pops because this entire tunnel cost him 2+ minutes. I'm now on final hook with all teammates on 0 hooks and gates are 99.
Do you think those perks are still bad? Anyone who can't get value from OTR DS is a terrible looper, sorry to say.
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DS doesn´t need to be buffed, just use DH or OTR/basekit BT for your get out of jail for free card.
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Ok, new situation then:
Play nurse, get a down at 5 gens, proxy camp and hit survivor as soon as he gets unhooked, gets the down get hit by DS, and nurse can immediately blink back to me instantly, because i got 8m of distance from it. Down again and now on death hook.
Yeah sure off the record has uses, but not for tunneling or hard tunnel. And the perk reveals itself for the killer.
So no i don't agree that the anti tunnel perks are good right now, because they loose for hard tunneling (off the record) or to high tier killers that can't give you enough distance (DS)
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Are you really that thick?
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It's 2 seconds actually, since the animation of getting off takes 1
So yeah it's even worse than you thought
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Picture this: Haddonfield. You get hooked in the middle of the street. The killer is a camping bubba and you can't even get unhooked by teammates, and even if they do, the killer hits you immediately off the hook with the chainsaw. Your OTR is now moot. The killer also has Iridescent flesh and can mow you down through BT since there are no vaults or pallets nearby. You use DS but all that does is buy you 2 seconds, and he downs you 7 seconds later after baiting your DH. He hooks you again and your teammates don't go for you. You are sacrificed and those perks hardly did anything
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It really wasn't. The disabling in endgame was enough since that was its main issue. At most MAYBE reduce it by 1 second as well but 2? That only gives survivors two seconds since the animation takes 1 second anyway
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2 seconds actually. The animation takes 1 second so the survivor only has 2 seconds to move before the Stun wears off
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Think they are a killer main who likes tunnelling that’s scared of DS coming back lol I really hope they do it’s needed tunnelling should have a counter and if you are getting tunnelled properly they will hit you straight away otr is a waste of a perk slot in im opinion at least ds they actually have to pick you up
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OTR is even worse. It does 80s old iron will against hard tunneler and that's it. Against normal killer it promotes unhealthy gameplay where survivor just lets someone heal himself and then go taunt the killer - because now he is guaranteed to have 3 health states.
So in fact the perk does "nothing" to prevent the situation for which it was designed and still leaves "full abuse" case in game anyway. Just pure bad perk.
DS at least still works as a (really #########) anti-tunnel perk as it at least resets 1x per game bleeding status so you can use DH. At least it does something (more then 80s iron will) against hard tunneler. So considering real tunneling killer - DS is the only true self-anti-tunneling perk in the game (I don't count DH as it's 2nd chance that gets enabled by DS).
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Yeah I know otr literally is no use at all and the extra effects are just to make it look more flashy it’s useless I’d rather just use basekit bt which killers complain about but you shouldn’t be tunnelling In the first place not that I control what they do but really if your not playing cheap then you won’t get hit with any of these perks I understand at end game if you desperately want a kill lol but no one should be getting tunnelled out at the start
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I honestly doubt they'd fall for the dh a second time unless they are using m2
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Yeah but honestly the tunnelling situation is so bad that this game is unbearable without ds and I know it sounds pathetic but it’s really the truth the amount I’m getting tunnelled over tried otr but they just hit me straight away 80s of endurance with basekit bt does not matter and now I’m just running away in deep wound like even on killer friendly maps with the best killers they will still tunnel I’m having a break for a few weeks even though I only play dbd atm it’s just unbearable
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Top tier idea...
Nerf gen time and maybe killer will not be REQUIRED to tunnel to even stand a chance, just saying...
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Killers would still tunnel because its the easiest way to get a 4k period, gens being done fast because more people bring prove /toolboxes is just an excuse,, that being said i think prove /bnps should definitely get gutted
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Yes. Sure. Just like after 6.1 patch. Stop saying things that were tested and were clearly proven to be not true
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Then killers will just tunnel with extra time.
I know that tunnel is required sometimes to get the win, but this idea that killers will stop doing it just by getting more time is absurd.
What if you played bad, got destroyed and lost a ton of gens because you committed to a 3 min chase. Will the killer really not tunnel because they think the game was fair.
If the game allows for something to be abused, it will be abused.
If tunneling is the easiest way to win, then why will people stop just because others got easier and didn't nerf tunneling?
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Yeah if they nerf all our gen speed perks stacking 4 slowdowns will feel like hell especially when you get killers proxy camping a three gen with cob eruption pain res dead man’s or dead lock I don’t even bring prove or tool boxes but sometimes I wish I did lol cause having a hen eruption then pain res in your face a million times a match is very boring I’d remove all gen speed perks but that means them gen slow downs would need a fat nerf
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It worked well, Survivor just complain and it got reverted.
I am still waiting for them to revert Eruption but they don't revert changes for killers ever.
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