Nerf Circle of Healing already

Perk is likely to be changed this summer perk review, going by clue of the german dbd twitter account.

COH also got the nerf where it removed the stacking of 2 or 3 COHs from the PTB and let’s also not forget it used to be a 28 meter range on the PTB as well, which also nerfed Shadowstep in the process.

Also about your point where the other boons are balanced, that’s not necessarily true. Dark Theory and Exponential are really bad. Dark Theory almost has no uses and Exponential is so situational that you’re always better off running Unbreakable, Tenacity, or Soul Guard as an anti slug perk.

It doesn't give the team an infinite medkit, though. It gives the team an infinite old-numbers Self Care, which is a wildly different situation.

Personally, I don't think Circle of Healing is causing problems based on its strength right now- one could argue it's problematic for the wider health of the boon mechanic, but when it comes to what CoH actually does on its own, it's really not that big of a deal anymore. Old Self Care is a reasonable speed, and a 50% bonus on altruistic heals is the same as Botany Knowledge in a restricted area that requires setup, so I'd say that's fair too.

The problem with CoH comes when it's stacked with other sources of heal speed. If it couldn't be stacked with medkits, for instance, we'd be in a much better spot already- though it's worth mentioning that ultra fast healing speeds don't actually require CoH and so are therefore their own problem.

CoH can be nuked at the same time they nuke the 3 gen stalemate meta for killers. CoH is the only thing that gives solo queue a chance vs killers like Knight/Skull Merchant camping a 3 gen from the start of a match.

For the record, I consider guaranteed 3 gen locations on certain maps and certain killer power designs more of an issue than the regression perks themselves after the Eruption nerf.

It‘s way faster than old Self-Care though, the 50% bonus also applies to the self-heals. It’s a 21 second heal, not 32.

If it was actually 32 seconds and then had some restriction with medkits it’d probably be fine.

I agree with this, though I think CoB/Overcharge are problems too, not just maps and killer design.

Techincally why not just make Makayla a killer. She could be a witch killer. Instead of her boons they turn them into hexes. Her weapon her hat, witch staff, book, or a wand. She is a ranged killer that uses magic to torment survivors. The magic can ensnare enemies for 3-5 sec. (If they had the add-ons) But she also has tiers on it and they all do different things . (Like Michael Meyers Tiers). The first tier is the ensnare. The second is teleporting to gens. She gets fatigue for 2 secs. The final tier lets her instagrab you. (She still has to go to hooks) The last tier only last for 35 secs. Her mori would be her using magic and taking the blood out of the survivors and putting it in her book. Her name... The Witch (These are all suggestions for Makayla as a killer. It would get rid of Circle of Healing).

Agreed! Nerf self-heal aspect, encourage TEAM aspect. One suggestion I agree heavily with is:

Remove self-healing; potentially buff group healing to compensate; also show the aura of injured survivors in the circle of healing area to incentivize/communicate teammates to come heal you.

The best solutions would be for the perks to deactivate when killer snuffs the boon like Hex perks or like @Caiman said change it so it only buffs healing others and doesn't allow self healing by itself.

My mistake.

21 seconds is still longer than 16, however, so my overall point stands: it's not infinite medkits because it's slower than default healing speed, and that extra time is on top of setup and the range restriction. On its own, Circle of Healing is pretty reasonable, I'll take a team that has one CoH and no other healing speed boosts over teams with proper medkits and healing builds any day.

Healing speeds overall need to be brought in line, and CoH is only one (comparatively quite small) element of that.

Oh, I can answer that: Because they're different mechanics designed with different purposes aiming towards different goals. Boons aren't designed the same way as hexes in any other regard (beyond interacting with totems), so why should they have the same downside?

"1, killer does not need to setup his hexes and waste 14s time doing so and X time finding totem"

Each second as killer is 4x as valuable as 1 second for survivor. If killer could rekindle they would be wasting time to find more bones.

-"2, hexes are map wide, boons are not"

Most of the hexes are laughably bad:

Crowd Control, Face the Darkness, Haunted Ground, Huntress Lullaby, NOED, Plaything, Retrribution, Ruin, Third Seal, Thrill of the hunt, Undying.

Pentimento can be good if you can force people to cleanse.

Devour Hope is a perk I would like to see removed as it is actually more frustrating than NOED. In 9/10 games you lose it before it does anything. The one game where you get to use it is an automatic win. That's not fun for anyone.

Undying was strong and got gutted. Killers dont get to have strong perks. This perk showed that if hexes had to be re-cleansed then some of them would actually be viable.

Blood Favor is decent but gets cleansed instantly because it's a hex. This perk would be top tier if you had to remove all the bones on a map to get rid of it forever.

-"3, survivors can't chase away killer"

Actually this is false. You can pressure an objective to say : if you dont come and stop me I can do something that might cost you the game like break the only viable 3 gen on this map.

-"4, hexes are stronger (or at least should be stronger) then boons"

If hexes are going to be something that is permanently removed they should be beyond punishing.

Here's an example of what would be viable for a hex to be worth the risk.

1. +5% movement speed for killer. Note : this is a flat boost so a 115% becomes 120% movement speed.
2. Your totems can't be interacted with for 2 minutes at the start of the game. For every hex totem you bring after this perk your hex totems cannot be touched for +1 minute. (note ruin would still poof if someone dies).
3. Survivors play the trial exhausted until this totem is broken.
4. Fool's Greed - this was the perk my friend came up with back in like 2017. It was even announced that it was going to be added to the game on a dev stream. Fools Greed is not a hex perk but it affects hex perks. Whenever your totem is destroyed (making your perk inert) all survivors lose their perk in the same slot. For example if the killer had Haunted Ground in slot #2 then every survivor loses their second perk when the killer's hex perk is cleansed.
5. Survivors cannot heal while this totem is active.

The reality is that boons are stronger than Hexes because the killer can't destroy them. You cannot "waste" a perk slot gambling that one of the survivors spent 1/16 perk slots on a boon. Even then Shattered Hope does not immediately destroy their boon perk on kick like a hex.

Boon/hex Rules massively favor survivors and need to change.

A. perks affecting bones can be rekindled until the bones or destroyed or are immediately destroyed when interacted with. Pick one.

B. Base kit the killer must be able to interact with dull totems and delete them on interaction. This would allow a killer to press space to stomp a boon and then press E to break bones. If they press space again they could rekindle their hex in that spot.

C. Either Shattered Hope needs to become Basekit or survivors lose the ability to interact with Hexes and can only interact with them by overwriting a hex with a boon.

Precisely! You made a very good point... just not the way you pretended it to be.

The argument of why Hexes can't be rekindled or work like Boons is because they are so strong that they need a hard counter to them, while boons provide more situational and weak effects, but in exchange can be moved or relit all what you want in exchange of expending some time doing so. That's the design point:

• Hexes: Strong and useful along the whole match (in most cases), easily counterable and with only one use.
• Boons: Weak and situational, but infinite uses in exchange of time.

The thing is, that design philosophy is not true for CoH. It is not weak at all to the point it is a viable substitute of multiple items and perks while at the same time buffing those items and perks if you have them, and because of that it is useful in all situations and matches, reason why it is practically the only boon used. Also, it has an useful universal effect for survivors: Healing, which at the same time acts as a way to counter killers effort and time. So, you could say by the way it work that this boon is stronger for survivors that many hex perks are for killers, as not every hex perk would benefit all killers on all situations, and the ones they do like Ruin or NOED have a secondary condition or counter (just until the first survivor is dead / aura revealed to survivors so it's easy to find).

TL;DR and to conclude: If it doesn't follows the boons design logic of "weak and situational, but infinite" and it follow more the design of Hexes, being more as powerful and useful to survivors as many Hex perk are for a killer, why it doesn't have the same downsides as an Hex?

CoH needs a nerf, and that nerf is making it work like an Hex with the advantage that you can choose in which totem you want it to be or make it more weak and situational by removing the self-healing effect unless you have self-care or leaving it but removing the buff to healing, for example. Simple as that.

Well, I wouldn't necessarily say that boons are meant to be weak per se, but that's a nitpick.

For the record, I do actually dislike that CoH doesn't follow the established conventions of the boon perks and doesn't really lend itself well to the intended function. Though, I equally don't like the idea that it would become functionally different to the others in its perk type in that way, I'd rather see CoH entirely reworked to have a different effect if we come to the conclusion that we have to fix the way it clashes with the rest of the boons.

Like, I don't disagree with your reasoning, but I think the conclusion of "so it should work like hexes" is a bit misguided, personally. I'd rather see it brought in line with the other boons instead of muddying the waters by making it an exception like that- I would view that as potentially necessary from the perspective of the boon mechanic, but not from the perspective of the actual strength of the perk. On its own, CoH is only "pretty decent", it's not something that needs changing based on its strength alone.

Healing speeds are their own problem, CoH just kind of became the face of it for some reason despite that not reeaaally being accurate.