The survivor entitlement is insane

I play usually 2 man or solo. I'm not afraid to play injured. I know when its time to heal and when it isnt. I'm not begging for heals everytime i get injured. I think survivors will need to adapt not being always healthy and i think its good. The amount of times i see people waste time healing instead of doing gens when its needed is the reason why survivors also lose.

Personally i find medkits too powerful and CoH is...something the game never needed. The amount of times i've gotten out due to my powerful medkit i can't even count.

Also you arent thinking of the perks that help survivors heal faster. You will still have we'll make it, which is very powerful. Youll have botany to help faster heals. Theres many perks to help survivors to heal faster, but you don't think of these.

These nerfs are to CHANGE the stale meta both killers and survivors have. For us to use and try DIFFERENT builds and perks.

I'm not even going to bother explaining why this nerf is needed... If survivors can't see how powerful medkits + healing + CoH are then..i have nothing to say. LIke i said i play mostly survivor nowdays and even i found healing to be disgustingly powerful.

Anyways im done. At least i can see things from both sides.

I used Brine by the way..and scourge hook, yet i can still understand the nerf behind them. I will start using Jolt or Deadlock. Its fine. Im glad i get to use different builds instead of always relying on the same gen regression. Slobby has always been with me and it will stay. Survivors have always been scared of being injured, nothing is going to change their willingness to heal. Nowhere to hide. Love me that perk always with me.

There are other perks you can use. adapt and quit crying xx

Players think gen rushing is going to be more of an issue because they think players should not heal. So lets go over how clearly wrong that take is by theory crafting it. Lets stay on average 1 hit will take a killer 30 seconds. In the next patch you will run healing perks as survivor. For soloq I'm planning on running botany and bond to completely remove these nerfs. Now for those 2 perks lets say it takes 16 seconds to find a survivor and 16 seconds to heal. This would result in 48 seconds of gen efficiency to get healed. If they last 30 seconds longer in chase because they were healed they now can potentially add 30 x 3c=90 charges or one full gen. 3 survivors all doing sperate gens at 1c per second. This means by healing and last 30 seconds in chase longer because of the additional health state we get more gens done compared to 16x2+16=48.

Just because killers can camp and tunnel doesn't mean you will still see it as much with both being nerfed. The strat is weaker next patch.

This update does buff soloq. 3 genning, camping, and tunneling are all getting nerfed. If you think all 3 of those things being nerfed and survivor just needs to bring bond+botany to remove the changes killer got then idk what to tell ya. And I'm not looking past the faults. I'm injecting the changes into the game and mentally simulating how these affect the game and coming to a conclusion on what the game will look like because of it.

3 gen was massively nerfed. We are going to see a SB meta and trying to do a 3 gen vs SB and need hits for slowdown just isn't going to work. I don't see how you come to the conclusion that the healing changes bring 3 gen back to anywhere near the power it was at. It's still going to be a strat but it has always been one in dbd since Doc release. It has only be a serious issue with the gen kicking stuff which has been nuked.

Camping falls down with the kicking nerfs. You are now not heavily encouraged to camp hooks where gens are high since you no longer have cob and 3 gen nerfs mean getting a down and going into a 3 gen was also nerfed. On top of this PR was nerfed which was another thing strong for camping since you could camp a survivor on a PR hook and cycle procs. Healing changes are a nerf for camping unless survivors think they can be cute and not heal which camping counters. The name of the game next patch will be split pressure. This is where you get your game delay since slowdown is kinda trash now. The healing changes are basically base kit buffs for going for 12 hooks.

With camping nerfs you see OTR buffs since proxy camping countered this perk. PR is a nerf for tunneling since you no longer have a good regression perk. DH change also increase value for OTR which again is nerfing tunneling. The healing changes make gens go faster if you are tunneling and slow if you split pressure. Tunneling nerfs is mostly being that split pressure is how you slow the game down and OTR should be used massively now which is the anti-tunneling perk.

Yea man I'm not going to even bother teaching you have to theorycraft. I've been a top 200ish player in a games that had 10 mil players and another with 1 mil. Did so by being good at theorycrafting. Saying things like "Survivors being slower is not a nerf for camping in any shape." or "No, they don't. Gens are gonna go as fast as normal, unless you're referring to survivors picking up more genrush builds, but that's not a tunnelling specific nerf, is it?" just shows you don't have any idea how this patch changes the game. Nerfing top game delay perks on killer and adding new delay that is only good for spreading damage is a obvious nerf to those strats.

alright troll

your username is literally nerfdeadhard when it's easy asf to counter, i can tell your not very good

I think Killers, as a whole, will be MUCH stronger.

The VAST majority of players are extremely uncomfortable playing injured.

It's gonna be 2018 DBD but with the competitive mindset of 2023 DBD.

I disagree, the other Exhaustion perks are fine, healthy, and balanced, they shouldn't be touched (except Smash Hit). Dead Hard was the standout problem and needed to be hammered down. Now it can't be used repeatedly forever, but good survivors will still use it the same as before. The fact its omnipresence has been revoked means that it will eventually become easier to surprise killers with it, when they will have less reason to expect it every time.

This is what I'm worried about. For every survivor that will "just put on resilience + adrenaline and omega genrush" there's several that basically get a -100% repair speed debuff applied to them from the moment they're injured until they're fully healed.

I'm totally on board with knocking med kit speeds and even self healing down a peg, but it really feels like both an initial patch + the "The first one wasn't enough, so here's additional changes" amendment patch a while later slapped into a single patch.

I thought that COH was powerful, and GREEN medkits were also powerful with the 50% increased self heal but they didnt need to nerf all the others meds and the max charges per medkit, on top of boosting the normal heal to 24sec.

It is not about "begging for heals" or "know when to be healthy or remain injures", it is obvious that an injured survivor lasts less in chase than a healthy one and now that all means of healing are nerfed simultaneously you are dependent of your random teammates to keep you in one piece because resources will run out in like 4-5min.

BHVR prouded themselves to be helping soloQ players with the new HUD and now they drop this forcing them to use more perks than before to sustain the new basekit nerfs.

When this patch goes live and you want to play without your 4man SWF you will be forced to take:

1-2 healing perks in case you are against a high mobility killer or a killer using sloppy

1 aura perk to find your teammates or let teammates find you in case you are in indoor maps

Fail to bring one of these and you are basically begging for the RNG god not to be crushed any game.

killer only 1 and survivor is 4.

of course there are more survivor main.

and oh man, the entitlement is real and it's almost disgusting.

they literally ignore all the heavy nerfs to killer and went on like BHVR always buff the killer

and they ALWAYS have all the reason to make you believe they're on point.

it's basically pointless talking to these kind of people

It's still a buff to remove a mechanic that could hurt her even if very few people used it. Now no one will

Maybe if keys, maps, fireworks and flashlights werent so useless in this game to the point you are literally handicapping yourself by bringing them people would use them instead of medkits and toolboxes.

And now as the nerf hammer goes to the medkits toolboxes will be the first option to pick.

Still, now you have less reason to use a flashlight so expect more toolboxes genrushing you.

I've literally never asked for any of these nerfs for killers. And like every other solo player, I'm just trying to protect the measly escape rate I already have after the 6.1 update. These changes impact swfs very little to none. The entitlement is those who apparently feel I just shouldn't escape at all.

Yes, abusing one broken offering if and when you found one and spent 7k blood points for it is so much stronger than being able to win while half asleep 90% of the time. You can win without add-ons or offerings just fine now and reliably. If you can't and I, who played mostly survivor for the ~2400 hours I have played, can... I'm gonna go with it being a skill issue.