Killers Using NOED

Break the totems or avoid being seen at the end and get out ASAP.

@TangledNoodles said:

@Orion said:
Break the totems or avoid being seen at the end and get out ASAP.

@Orion except you know, bitter murmur is a thing.

How many people run Bitter Murmur again? I know a few sure, but unless you also run into a Bitter Murmur user every match, this point is moot.

That's not to say I don't understand the frustration of facing a NoEd user constantly, but the tools to avoid it being used at all is right there. I had started to play solo more frequently (rank 8-2 as far as I remember) and I've stopped several NoEd users by myself. I don't even run Small Game.

Again, I understand you. And so I can be fair I won't be that guy who is all like "BuT sURvIvoRs!" I will tell you however you have more then enough tools to fight off against killers. I'm sorry if this is not what you want to hear, but it is true. I hope my response is not perceived as disrespectful in any way, that is not what I am aiming for.

You need better teammates if you can't cleanse 5 totems collectively before the gens pop.

If it's anyone other than Billy I just expect NOED and make sure all 5 go down before the gens, or at least 4 (leaving the most obvious one up for the ez 1k BP at the end).

If you play SWF it's even easier to keep track. If solo try out small game. If you are legit facing it that often you have options.

Heck, if you don't want to run small game you can still count to 5. Look for totems, count in the ones you found that are already broken plus the ones you break. Totem spawns are super obvious and easy to locate on most maps.

If killer is bad always expect NOED. If killer is good just cleanse the well hidden dull totems you come across so if NOED pops it has higher % to spawn on totems that are easily found.

Shad03 said:

@The_Crusader said:
You won't get any sympathy in here. Killers deserve the win because it's called Dead by daylight and survivors are supposed to die.

Neither side is entitled to win. I kill you, I'm better. You escape me, you're better.

@TangledNoodles said:
@NoShinyPony If you're playing solo you don't know if the other people even did any totems and if it's any killer that can rush and they have BBQ and chili you won't have enough time to do ######### besides gens and unhooking people.
1 person on the hook
1 person unhooking
1 person doing a gen or possibly running to the hook
and the other one doing a totem or dying trying because of BBQ.

I'm playing mostly solo. If you care about NOED, bring Small Game and do the job yourself.

Again, if the survivors play well, there is enough time to do gens and totems. If the survivors get downed after 20 seconds of chase, then there's not enough time, but that's the survivors' fault.

I know that you get a lot of bad games when you play solo. If teammates make severe mistakes, you sometimes can't compensate. But that's totally okay: If the survs don't play well, they deserve to lose the match.

If playing with random teammates frustrates you too much, switch to SWF.

@CaptainCastle said:
Shad03 said:

@The_Crusader said:

You won't get any sympathy in here. Killers deserve the win because it's called Dead by daylight and survivors are supposed to die.

Neither side is entitled to win. I kill you, I'm better. You escape me, you're better.

I see that bliss reference sir

Yes, only because it rings true.

@TangledNoodles said:

@Orion said:

@TangledNoodles said:

@Orion said:
Break the totems or avoid being seen at the end and get out ASAP.

@Orion except you know, bitter murmur is a thing.

And how many do you see running Bitter Murmur alongside NOED? I'll bet you see a lot more with NOED, which is why any rational person would break the totems. You know, use the counter for a perk that's picked a lot, as opposed to choosing not to use the counter, then complaining that the perk took effect.

@Orion I have even used MAPS to track totems, but I always end up having to save someone from the hook or having to do a gen cause no one is doing jack #########. Also I've seen killers use Bitter Murmur with NOED a few times because that's the only way they can get kills at the end and that's what they were hoping for.

So you used maps to track totems, but you had to unhook or repair gens because nobody is doing anything. That's a problem with your teammates, and thus I suggest you stop doing the things that are causing you to lose or blame your teammates rather than the killer.
End-game builds are a thing, and the perks are appropriately powerful. Since end-game perks are usually completely useless during the trial itself, they have to make up for it when the trial is almost over. This is a "you" problem. If the killers were worse than you, then you wouldn't lose.

@ColonGlock said:
You must assume Noed for every killer. Run Hope/small game if you want to be the counter person. If you don't want to run those perks then you just have to do totems best you can or at least remember where they were. It is part of the game and your post will not change the minds of killers that run this perk.

I honestly agree with you on most of what you mentioned, especially since if one is using Detectives Hunch, as it can help with locating any totems within a certain range. However, I will say that one thing I do have to mention that @TangledNoodles brought up as a good point, is that people who use any type of killer have been using NOED when they are killers that don't even need to use it because of their abilities or set of perks that give survivors exposed status effects or can down them in one hit with their equipment. They could literally use another perk that could work more effectively for those types of killers than NOED. If a killer like the hag, Wraith, Nurse, Doctor, and even trapper(If they aren't running the add-on that puts survivors in the dying state after freeing themselves) as good examples for killers I can see using NOED effectively unlike the other ones they mentioned. It has and still is a problem, and truly people need to kind of shy away from using it so frequently and experiment with different perks instead of using the same perks over and over. Usually I change up my build almost often by switching out two to three perks to try them out. But there are a few I refuse to use at all because I don't want to rely on them or use them as a crutch, because I want to challenge myself so when I'm a killer, I can be fair, make the game thrilling and enjoyable for me and the survivors.

NOED has counterplay. It just does.

If you're going solo, cleanse a couple totems... and just assume the other 3 survivors are getting the other 3.

You're not entitled to survive and the premise of this game is to have a hard time surviving. If I get NOED'd... I think...well that sucks... but I move on. I sometimes pass dull totems. I usually get 2 myself. It's 28 seconds or so.

NOED can be completely nullified. Also NOED on 110% movement speed killer like Hag, Spirit, Legion etc... isn't that viable. With NOED, they are still slower than any base 115% killer.

So if you're ever downed via NOED with a 110% killer... get rekt man. It's apart of the game. DS while it is annoying is apart of the game also... and has been for like 2 years lol.

The hatch has been 80/20 survivor sided for 2 years and change.

NOED is needed. It puts fear into entitled survivors. It usually get broken pretty quickly anyways, and like I've said several times, can be negated entirely.

Well I play both and as survivor I run small game and cleanse the totems unless I see a secret offering and I don’t use noed as killer.

@The_Crusader said:
You won't get any sympathy in here. Killers deserve the win because it's called Dead by daylight and survivors are supposed to die.

NOEd is fine and perfectly balanced.

Also dead hard and sprint burst need a nerf and self-care should be nerfed to 20% healing speed.

That's the dumbest thing I've heard. They're called Survivors because their objective is to survive, as Killers are supposed to kill.

@TangledNoodles said:

@Dwight_Confusion said:
NOED has counterplay. It just does.

If you're going solo, cleanse a couple totems... and just assume the other 3 survivors are getting the other 3.

You're not entitled to survive and the premise of this game is to have a hard time surviving. If I get NOED'd... I think...well that sucks... but I move on. I sometimes pass dull totems. I usually get 2 myself. It's 28 seconds or so.

NOED can be completely nullified. Also NOED on 110% movement speed killer like Hag, Spirit, Legion etc... isn't that viable. With NOED, they are still slower than any base 115% killer.

So if you're ever downed via NOED with a 110% killer... get rekt man. It's apart of the game. DS while it is annoying is apart of the game also... and has been for like 2 years lol.

The hatch has been 80/20 survivor sided for 2 years and change.

NOED is needed. It puts fear into entitled survivors. It usually get broken pretty quickly anyways, and like I've said several times, can be negated entirely.

This all sounds biased to me lol. Everything sounds great in theory go break totems while the rest of the game is on hold.
Again the whole "it's supposed to be hard to survive" argument. I don't care if I escape or not as long as I get a decent amount of points.

I play both sides man. I get it. I play more killer, but I enjoy survivor as well. I don't expect to survive. I expect to due against a good killer.

If I get hard camped... now that is annoying for sure, but I got caught... that's on me.

Another hour, another noed post.