Devs: You wanna know how to truly shake up the META? Here it is

As fulltonon said, Camping already penalises your emblem score, thus making it harder to earn Iridescent Shards and Rift Fragments. Meanwhile, Merciless only matters for adept achievements which killers have already endured a harder time with for years up until recently, especially compared to survivors only ever needing to escape.

And there’s no real way to penalise Tunneling outside of having perks that discourage it and not everyone’s going to use those.

Good thing the generator that got tunneled out of the match in 2 mins won't burn out and quit playing the game. They really are a calm and understanding bunch, those generators.

Basekit Deadlock when?

Camping hasn't been effective for nearly 2 years my dude. Just say you're bad and save everyone time.

So every match then

You actually want to promote survivors to 'tunnel' gens. When I force the survivors off of the same gen with yet another free hit, (since they dropped the closest pallet in 3 directions I'm not approaching from) they want to commit and finish that gen. They are falling prey to sunk-cost fallacy, and I can capitalize on their mistake. This also makes directed gen regression even more valuable, as Pop can decimate the gen and make them want to finish it in spite of how bad of an idea that is. This is promoting positive risky and potentially rewarding gameplay for both sides. It is risky for me to not protect the other gens, it is risky for survivors to take free damage for a gen they can come back to much later.

If that wasn't the 'gen tunneling' being referred to, then I'll give an example of another type of 'gen tunneling'. When survivors group up to finish a specific gen quickly, I get far more value displacing them as when I chase someone off the gen, I get 2/3/4 people no longer progressing gens for the cost of 1 chase. Also if I balance my build accordingly I can have Discordance to tell me when they are co-oping gens, or Nowhere to Hide to get a free hit on the person who hid while the other person ran off.

In every circumstance of 'gen tunneling', it benefits the killer if they have skill. I love it when people gen-tunnel when I play Nemmy, because it will give my Zombies extra pressure and value due to my use of Discordance. I love it when I get to pop the same gen 5+ times, because the survivors are too stubborn to give up on a lost cause. I love it when people group up on gens so I get multiple quick STBFL hits and/or avoid the Obsession if need be. They might get the best of me occasionally, but the majority of the time, I can come out on top because I can adjust and take advantage of their missteps.

It's also important to think of gens and gates as the killer's health bar. You can try to heal in the corner, or kill your enemies before they hurt you enough. A solid regression here and there is nice, but unreliable. I need to rely on my ability to down the Survivor before they down my gens. The only time I can't truly think I have a chance is on Borgo, Cowshed, and Garden of Pain. That doesn't mean I haven't won on those maps, just that they are too safe in comparison to their peers. Springfield is a mixed bag, because a school basement is tantamount to a free-win, but the rest of the map is torture. Similar with new Haddonfield, the windows are too juicy, but the main building 3-gen is disgusting. Bad maps should have their problems fixed, not rely on perks to band-aid them.

The only times he "camps" is when there's someone actively going for rescue. Tunneling is necessary but not as impossible to counter as newbies always scream.

Show me one time he camped someone and not in the case he knows someone is right there and he's pursuing them. I'll wait.

Survivors will abuse any penalty they can inflict on the killer. Like how they've taken to abusing base kit BT to tank hits for a rescuer. and in that case it's often easier to just tunnel the idiot in deep wound.

Then tunneling doesn't exist and everything is fine with DBD.

While that's true you don't see me moaning about that as they're counterable.

What a crazy coincidence. I'm an avid Otz watcher and saw no such situation.

Hell yeah

What I have been asking for is for the game to be slowed down. Slow down survivor gen rushing (maybe those perks need a 70% nerf since cob/overcharge are getting that). Slow down the game so the killer can go for lots of chases instead of needing to tunnel the first person out every time.

Give Killer Deadlock Base kit. Give them a base kit reward for hooking each unique survivor once before anyone dies. Make that reward "better" than tunneling out one player. We will see longer games with 4 people alive for longer - with harder to complete generators.

Give the killer a reward better than tunneling and they won't. If necessary make it so you get one reward or the other; so if you start by anti tunneling and then tunnel the reward for not tunneling goes away.

The problem is that many survivors seem to want quick easy games where they don't really feel much pressure and have easy escapes. How fun is that to play against as killer?

I am killer main and what you want is broken. Like a lot.

For this you would need to rebalance everything. Good luck with that.

For any basekit changes like that, you would have to first nerf the hell out of Blight, Nurse, Spirit, Wesker, Artist, Oni, Huntress and probably some others. Basically all good killers right now, because they would become super broken.

Deadlock is currently one of best slowdown perks in the game and you want it basekit? That's a no from me. It would actually screw lot of killer builds. Any gen kicking build don't want to see Deadlock.

If you chose corrupt interventation, so chase starts faster (make it go away when chase starts instead of dying). I could kinda get behind it, but Deadlock is too much.

I am all for this. Something like Grim Embrace effect would work. I would increase hook stage timer to deal with camping and kinda balance it.

-"I am all for this. Something like Grim Embrace effect would work."

Here's the paradox : Anything less than 9% penalty to all survivor actions for each first hook means it is better to just tunnel one player out.

You can't give that much of a buff because survivors would whine. Since they won't give that much buff I will always tunnel one player out asap.

"Deadlock is currently one of best slowdown perks in the game and you want it basekit?"

If we nerfed every exhaustion perk except smash hit by 75% it would very quickly make smash hit the best exhaustion perk. That's not really saying much.

Deadlock base kit would be roughly equal to survivors getting free base kit BT. The survivors get +1 perk and the killer got nothing of equal value in trade. Deadlock would give killers gen tunnel protection - which is what survivors got for free.

-"For this you would need to rebalance everything. Good luck with that."

Generally speaking there are about 10 "ok" killers" and 2 "working": killers. The list should be more like 2 great killers and 20 "good" killers.

Or we could just have tiers of gameplay. If you are playing without perks , not in a SWF then you can see Pig. That's an oversimplification but you get the idea.

There is no world where player 1 picks Pig and player 2 picks Nurse and that choice is equal.

Deadlock was never bad perk. It simply doesn't work well with kick gen meta, which was dominant play style last few months.

You still have some valid kick gen perks and deadlock would screw it. Deadlock base kit is bad idea for both sides.

First of all it's been an "arms race" since the game came out. Neither side gains anything by not being in a rush.

Secondly that argument is silly. The good teams are not the ones being camped out because they forgot there's always at least 2 other gens. But of course on this forum you'll find people swearing up and down they're top level all day long with nothing to back up anecdotal evidence. That is to say, you won't find high level vids of this occurring anywhere else.

There will be no good kick perks after this patch. Overcharge is getting a 70% nerf and CoB is getting a 75% nerf. Nobody will ever use either of those perks again.

Nobody is using Pop so what kick perk do you think people are using?

The only perk people are using is a detection perk not one that focuses on gen regression.