When will there be a update that prevents camping

Camping could be partially combatted by just increasing the hook timer.

Sure, there's an argument that survivors aren't going to want to hang on hook for longer if the killer does camp, but the only way to really fight camping is to make it less efficient than leaving the hook and pressuring the other survivors.

They are valid strats to use and yes they don't want to fully make it impossible to camp, slug, or tunnel and they don't want to make a punishment for those who use them toxicly but also punish those who use them in the proper situations.

They should do something about facecamping, but also they aren't going to sadly.

In fairness to them, it's not a completely straightforward problem. I think ambush camping with a stealth killer fits the game's theme well, likewise if survivors don't go for the rescue until a hook state is almost finished I think it would be crazy not to expect the killer to camp the hook. There's also post 5 gens, if you have a survivor on the hook and the doors are open, there isn't much else to do that makes sense.

On the other hand, if BHVR put in actual punishments it would make it clear where the line is between acceptable camping levels and abusive camping.

Examples: if the killer is within the 9 meters of the hook for more than 30 seconds per stage, the timer stops and the killer's aura is shown. That would require the killer to move, but also allow them to come back into the zone while chasing a survivor, or if they wanted to try and set up a trap, or if the timer was ticking down on the survivor.

But I think there some other methods that could work:

Simplistic approach: remove hook grabs (doesn't solve Bubba)

Make the first survivor hooked have a considerably longer timer (first hook facecamps are the biggest problem).

Totally different approach, make all survivors have considerably shorter hook timers, but they don't start until the killer has hit a different survivor.

Buff reassurance considerably (I don't think this should be solved via perks, but that's the route BHVR normally goes). Increasing distance is the obvious, but I think a better idea would be a reassurance that survivors can see, but the killer doesn't. On the killer screen the timer keeps ticking down, but freezes at the last moment.

Removing unhook grabs from healthy would be a start. You could still trade. And self healing is rarer now, so keeping survivors injured to prevent unhooks is more viable.

I hate this mentality because literally only one thing was ever tried, six years ago. That didn't work, so now everyone's just collectively shrugging their shoulders going 'Well, good try, gg no re'.

Have the hook timer slow down dramatically if the killer is by the hook and ALL other survivors are on gens. Bam. Done.

Killer isn't by the hook? Hook timer works as normal.

A survivor is baiting the killer by the hook? Hook timer works as normal.

Killer is chasing someone? Hook timer works as normal.

Literally only camping gets gutted.

Yeah I would have to agree.

There even is already something in the game like this. The killers chaser emblem gets penalties when they are around a hook and no other survivors are near

I know.

What i'm saying is there is already a system in the game that detects if a killer is camping for no reason they can use for anti camp mechanics

Yeah it’s a good point, it’s tough to keep track and I’m guilty of unintentionally ‘tunneling’ myself sometimes.

There have been some good suggestions from others here though like buffing reassurance and getting rid of healthy hook grabs. Either way it’s good to see others ideas.

It was tried more than once and didn't make it to live either time because of the way people used it.

While you feel their is no evidence for Reassurance, that is exactly what happened during that ptb. Fearmongering had nothing to do with it because as I said, the player that actively seeks to hard face camp you will still do so no matter what state that perk shipped in. What it did do though was get used by survivors to make legitimate hook defenses against people basically running up the moment they got the person on the hook a scenario where the killer essentially had no good options and positioned the person on the hook to be camped in situations they otherwise would not have been.

Like if you think killers have enough vocal power to sway the devs you're out of your depth. If that were the case they certainly would have made use of it to get a million other things than a nerf to Reassurance a perk that even if it shipped in its ptb form less than 10% of players would probably bother equipping it. The devs never promised to remove camping and have on many occasions said that they were looking into and testing ways to mitigate it. They have delivered on some mitigation that helps, but I don't see you getting what you want unless they change how gameplay works. Which means changing things connected to and even then you may still not actually get a total solution.

Gens going faster than a F1 tyre change is the biggest reason for camping. There is no incentive to chase survivors. 1 chase = 3 gens completed.

I don't camp because I don't care if I win or lose but that to me is the problem.

If it ever happened at all there would've been evidence. Somewhere, Reddit, Twitter, video or twitch vod, the forums. People love to show off stacking everything for 12 minute heals or 350% move speed. It would've made for good, easy content... Especially if it was 'omg rampant, everyone is doing this on PTB, abuse everywhere!!!'

You're claiming it happened, so show me. I've asked at least 6 different times since that PTB for anyone to provide evidence that this occurred, no one ever has. Maybe you'll be the first, but I sincerely doubt it.

You can't really prevent camping with how the game is currently designed. Hooks are an objective for survivors as they must rescue their teammate or let them die. The nature of this means that the killer should always be able to punish survivors who take too long to go for the rescue to force out a hook state or even a sacrifice.

The devs would have to balance the game around hooked survivors naturally respawning without other survivor input if they wanted to remove camping which wouldn't necessarily lead to a better game itself.

Oh, I'm very aware.

At this point the videos are folks who come to the thread later.

All they need to do is make it to where no Killer can use their power anywhere near a hook. Twins already has this restriction. Just give it the rest of the Killer roster (Trapper Included with the basement BS). Done.

You do know that wasn't gaslighting...that was actually happening on the PTB hence why people both Survivors and Killers were complaining about it and why it was changed.

Someone already posted two videos a few posts up.

Dude just get over it. Camping is a legit strategy and can easily be stopped by gen rushing. If you're the unfortunate one on the end of the camping I get it, but it is what it is

Look at the image on Reassurance. That is as close as you'll get. More than likely never going to happen this far along in the game's life, but who knows?

I posted three videos out of many that came up, as I stated it's game breaking effects are documented pretty well. I don't care if you disagree with me and I have nothing to prove because ultimately regardless of how either of you feel the scenarios were there, they were documented and more than anything the devs made the judgment call.

If you want to believe it is because killers whined that's your business. If you want to say there is no proof even when given the starting point then I got nothing that will convince you.

Well I can’t imagine getting rid of hooks is a realistic suggestion, could be wrong?

But yeah the whole point is to make it annoying for killers to want to be around hooked survivors so don’t get what the argument against it would be? One problem I see with it is that ranged killers and others could charge their power just outside of the radius and shoot in leaving the change more of a nuisance rather than effective.

Other ideas such as buffing reassurance and getting rid of healthy grabs are good and maybe the solution is lots of little things and new perks like that if no one can think of a one-all-be-all solution?

Just today a doctor was spam shocking me so I physically couldn’t unhook the survivor at all due to the spam scream animation. The survivor died and the killer got a 4K, surely this isn’t the way the developers want killers to be playing or ‘winning’ their games.

Irregardless it’s good for these discussions to happen I think.

You can't 'prevent' camping any more than you can 'prevent' genrushing.

It's a valid tactic, and in some cases, the only tactic. During endgame when the killer has no other objectives to defend other than the hooked survivor, or when the killer can see all other survivors approaching the hook for the save.

The problem is exploiting this to bait survivors or force a sacrifice on first hook. Camping can't be 'prevented', but it should be 'punished' in the form of a higher cost for doing so, or not such an oppressive 'reward'.

One thing that could help is the removal of healthy hook grabs. It's not fun for either side anyway dancing around each others ping like that, and the killer doesn't deserve to score two hooks out of camping one. A hook trade is still guaranteed, so the killer will still have at least one survivor on the hook, so it's not 'preventing' camping. It just means it doesn't 'pay' as well.

Secondly is disabling certain killer powers by the hook. Most newer killers have this anyway, and you'd really only need to extend it to Bubba and Billy anyway. Make it so they can't charge up the chainsaw within 10 meters of a hooked survivor. If they want to use their power at the hook, they need to start their sprint further away from the hook and run in, giving survivors a window to react and dodge our of the way.

I get there is a time and a place for camping/tunneling. Particularity against tough teams, comp and just those games where gens are flying and there’s no other option. It has its place I’m just hoping there’s be a way to discourage people from easily doing it right from the start or circumstances where it doesn’t call for it because it might sound petty but outside of those specific situations it just sucks to see. No skill, no fun. Borderline exploity.

But it is absolutely the case with healing nerfs. Survivors have less chance to recover from your attacks, which makes directly pressuring survivors off gens (as opposed to say indirectly pressuring gens via Pain Res and camping) much more effective.