SWF is killing this game
SWF is absolutely destroying this game for solo-queue.
It's still bad with killer too, but admittedly it's not as bad as it was before the update, but in the process, solo queue has been absolutely victimised.
I tried a few games solo queue to see what was going on and oh my god, RIP
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Don't forget that SWF's are normally a group of skilled players who've played with eachother before as friends. If Kindred was basekit that aspect still wouldn't change much. You will still get bad players that make terrible decisions or hide all match.
The main issue is that losing in DbD feels unfair/unwarranted. Survivors that play perfectly and isn't facing a Blight/Spirit/Nurse is a guaranteed win, so killers will rely on toxic behaviors to secure a sacrifice. All these crutch perks/techs keep getting removed from both sides so now they must rely on said behaviors to get the job done. And frankly that makes the game less fun.
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I am a solo player and don't really have a gaming community. I am not going to put myself out there just for a game that's advertised to play as a team or as one. It is brutal in soloq. I only started in Decemberish and recently it is much, much worse. At least in COD we all had a common goal lol. This is just using cheesy tactics with the odds stacked against us. Before the update we had a 50/50 chance to get out of a match now we are lucky to get 2 gens done before we all get done. Yeah and wraith's silent bells are totally unfair. All I hear is "get good" or join an SWF.... that is not viable options and it isn't a skill issue when your camped into oblivion.
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BHVR knows that if they do anything to nerf SWF that it will kill the game. A lot of people play SWF because they enjoy playing with friends and it’s a lot easier to win or even bully the killer for laughs in some cases. If that consistent fun is diminished, a lot of SWF players will leave the game.
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Probably the only solution is going to be separate queues ranked/casual.
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I agree. 4 man SWF is too much but a lot of times when you play duo or trio you get HORRIBLE RANDOMS that waste pallets, DC, or kill themselves on hook.
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How does SWF destroy solo q? Lol
I do not see a correlation at all.
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-"BHVR knows that if they do anything to nerf SWF that it will kill the game"
But what happens if nobody wants to play killer? This is probably the worst I have ever seen the game in terms of "fun to play" as killer.
Things were bad in 2016 but we had NOED which for at least a while was the complete equalizer because it lasted forever.
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I honestly dont know how someone can look at the state of SoloQ and instantly jump to "SWF is the issue here".
SoloQ has always been in a rough spot, but BHVR pushing the game to be more competitive while also not providing SoloQ the resources to deal with competitive-based situations has left it in an even worse position than ever; even after the HUD changes.
One of the things that has hurt SoloQ the most is the inconsistent teammates, it's always been an issue (kinda). When BHVR changes SBMM to be less strict, it made the game significantly worse for SoloQ because you cannot rely on your teammates to do anything right.
But here is the thing, BHVR is in a catch-22, if the make SBMM more strict than people will complain that Killer is too stressful, but if you dont change SBMM, the game becomes miserable for SoloQ. Damned if you do, damned if you dont. SBMM/MMR has overall hurt the game in almost every way possible, and has made the flaws with the game insanely noticeable.
I could go on and on with hundreds of other possible factors that made the game the way it is but frankly I dont think people want to sit here and read a 10-page essay of anecdotal commentary involving the state of the game, regardless, I hope my point is clear, the issue is not SWF, it's BHVR's inability to make effective changes.
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What abuses occur in swf are then dealt with and carried out in soloq. So let's say COH being abused and DH the latest those were being abused in SWF because people are able to interact with each other have a coordinating runner and someone to loop and taunt the killer. This leads to a toxic gaming environment. So in turn what is bad for one group is bad bad for both groups. Even though on soloq you really can't communicate with each other and you can get paired with 3 loopers that suck at skill checks and one that's good at them. It is kind of like saying dark chocolate is bad so all chocolate is bad. I mean I really understand it and when you have people that are board they are just going to be toxic for fun in a group to ruin someone else's fun.
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I have found those that waste pallets are trying to practice their looping skills. They do this to get the killers attention and it's usually at my expense.
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That's the DBD community for you. Have a bunch of killers whining about SWF but when you're a SoloQHero their answer is "join a SWF".
Counter-intuitive. BHVR will never be able to fix this game because you can't please everyone.
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SWF is the heart and soul of DBD.
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what's wrong with it?
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Alright, what do you want them to do? Ban playing with friends? You do that all you going to get is people lobby dodging till they get their friends.
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I get that and I can adapt to the healing and what not (I never used dead hard). But I have noticed that all these killers have healing slowing perks and some stack them. If the devs were going to slow self healing then those are the perks they should have nerfed not the gen ones. They also are face campers and that just ticks me off. I put hackers and campers in the same category wanna be gamers. At the same time I can see certain camping in soloq because you can spot a hacker. The devs need to start identifying the hacks and pay attention more, just because it's a paid game doesn't mean they should get away with it.
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10% of 4 players SWF is what keep the kill rate being "just right". Remove them and we may have higher kill rate, which lead to Killers nerf.
SWF destroy solo, but they dont think SWF keep Killers not getting destroyed.
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They did those SBMM tests last year, and the stricter the matchmaking, the longer the queues as well. People waiting 15min+ for a game, and high MMR waiting for over an hour. I honestly can't see how they can fix it to please everyone.
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Matchmaking and a lack of any ranking system kills solo queue, not SWF. 500 hr players are matched with 4000 hr players. Wins and losses aren't tracked and don't matter. Why would a player be focused on what they're doing when they're only in a solo queue match to loot 3 chests for 15k BP? I don't know why anyone would enjoy solo queue if they care about results or playing well.
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I highly doubt that. SWF does not = super good team. I’ve had many solo q teams well outperform 4 man SWF’s.
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I play both sides and I strongly disagree. DH and healing just got nerfed. Killer feels a lot more manageable to play now than it used to, especially against solo queue even if they are good. SWF remains ridiculously unbalanced, especially when you throw in broken maps with 1,000 pallets and strong loops that spawn right next to each other. These are problematic with solo q too, but it becomes an unfair game when you throw in the perfect coordinator that SWF on comms have the advantage of
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SWF have been "killing this game" for 6 years now, and it's still not dead.
I'm starting to think it might not be the massive issue some people think it is.
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I think SWF is pretty much the only thing keeping survivor viable. I know you think removing it will make killer games easier for you, but I guarantee that won’t be the case. Lol.
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This is unnecessarily aggressive, you can see from my post I clearly play both sides.
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If SWF didnt exist, the game would be dead. I want to play with my friends, not every friend I play with is a god, sometimes im trying to get new people into the game. It aint always death squadrons trying to turn the killer into their very own chew toy.
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I will constantly upvote and downvote this comment, so that I can just upvote it more. This is the crux of most of DBDs matchmaking issues.
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Lol this is just a new tactic to try and get Bhvr to nerf or remove SWF. And it's never going to happen.
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The thing is, these problems existed before SBMM as well. Old 'rank based' matchmaking was just as flawed, and doubly so at the top end, where the top 5% would be matched with middle rank 7-5 players more often than not, instead of being matched amongst themselves. I'm sure this was great for the top 5% as it meant they got easy games every now and then, but it was hell if you were an average player who always ended up stuck at rank 5.
Let's not forget rank reset, in which for about two weeks every months it would be sheer pot luck and if you weren't a top player you basically couldn't play without getting wrecked every other game. Or smurfing, where players who intentionally lower their ranks to bully lower skilled players.
SBMM didn't make things fundamentally worse, it just painted an ill-defined target on which to throw your misgivings. MMR is unknown, therefore it must be the problem.
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-"Killer feels a lot more manageable to play now than it used to, especially against solo queue even if they are good"
I think you're suffering from the Dunning-Kruger if you're saying this unless you unironically play Nurse/Blight every game.
What did this last patch do? It made me lose all my gen regression. How much time was I getting on average? about 90-120 seconds. I'm playing a "meh" killer that has no movement speed but has good antiloop.
Imagine starting a game of DBD and you can press a button to make the other side go afk for 90 seconds. That's essentially what this patch does to how I have been playing the game for a very long time (since Pop was introduced).
I have three options :
- Stop playing
- Stop playing Killer
- Play stronger Killers.
I refuse to do #3 because I already did that a long time ago and basically said goodbye forever to some of my old timey favorite killers like Billy who if we are honest is just a big joke.
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I am a sad individual because I wanna read those 10 pages of anecdotals lol
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